Randy vs Brock

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Yes Minotauro. He got careless against Herring but the guy is a beast. lets not forget he's 6ft 3 and 240, as you say has some mad BJJ, is a good boxer and IS powerful.

I loved Randy and he was one of my favourite fighters but if randy would have gotten past Brock i feel he would have lost to Nog. There is no doubt about it Brock is a phenomenal athlete but regardless of Necks and arms they are still submittable. Add to that i think Nog beats him at stand up. His chin is fantastic, his recovery is great BUT he has been in some battles...that may come into play.

From what i read on here also people are talking about Brock fighting Mir should he get past Nog as if people are assuming Mir will beat Nog...please, lets get real. Mirs BJJ is not even on a level with Nogs, his wrestling is nothing to speak of and his standup is way below the par of Nogeuira's..Nog will win easily IMO.

So, it will be Nog-Brock and as much as i think Brock is a powerful, formiddable athlete i think Nog will have his number.

I don't think Minotauro is that good as you said.I think in this sport most of the time its always a matter of imposing your gameplan and I think wrestling is the most effective discipline.Minoutauro..his wrestling is not even close to Brock's and yes he has the best BJJ in the division but boxing?POWERFUL?c'mon man..I can't remember this guy winning via KO.he's fwockin good for real but as far as I know he was never able to battered Herring like Brock did, 6' 3" 240lb?yes he has size but remember he had a close call against a middleweight Dan Henderson.and if I'm right he even lost to him once.Henderson is a Greco-Roman wrestler and its clear Minotauro had troubles with great wrestlers like Josh Barnett.So with this I don't think he can beat Randy.and we all knew he got pretty much exposed to Fedor multiple times.

Sylvia was an unskilled giant who has a good right hand.with some good take down defence and decent chin too.and so was Herring.so far that's all Minotauro has handled in the UFC.He would have all the trouble against an athletic guy and much worst it will be hell to him if he'll go up against a dominant wrestler.I mean a great wrestler.

But I do think he would defeat Mir.and I hope he does.so we can all see how Brock fairs against 'younger' opponent and this time I hope he would get the respect he deserves.But I should still state that IMO,Randy was the best heavyweight out there and he just got served.

Sorry mate when i said powerful i didn't mean powerful striking i mean powerful in general, core power with the ability to hang with other powerful heavyweights. He is not a KO artist but he can wear fighters down with his striking and has a good engine.

Brock and Nog are two very different fighters. At the end of round one against Randy Brock was blowing out of his ass and (ok shoot me for this) if it would have gone another round i think the fight would have been randys. If Nog can last past the first round against Brock i am pretty sure he will get the sub. Its all very well saying his neck and arms are monstrous but when you are knackered you fall into subs and against a master like Minotauro it wont take much for you to find yourself in an armbar or a choke...and 3 rounds in carrying a 280 pound frame about for 15 mins you aint gonna power out of it. Check nog vs Bop Sapp..now i am not going to compare Sapp to Brock (insult to brock) but for Raw muscle power Sapp matches if not betters Brock...and he got caught in an armbar and couldn't power out of it. Nogs main attributes aside from his fighting skills are his incredible ability to absorb punishment and his heart. Look at him vs Mirko...he was getting beaten in the standup by Mirko but in the end Mirko succumbed to a sub. Saying all this Brock has a while to train sub defence so we will see what happens.

Going back to what you said about nog losing to Dan yes about 10 years ago he lost to dan in a dec i think (which he avenged). I always try and judge fighters on their last 5 fights as it tends to give a good indication of where they are at currently and admittedly he has had problems with Josh Barnett..lost a split won a unanimous BUT Josh has a gastank and skills that far exceed Brocks, has a sub arsenal and is an equally fantastic wrestler (for the record i think Josh would crucify Brock)

Its going to be interesting thats for sure, styles make fights and we can talk about it all we want but anything can happen in MMA. Look at Mirko vs Gonzaga!

Rep for the debate anyway

I see your point man.Brock was clearly gassed after being pressed in the cage for most of the round.And it is exactly why I think Randy has the biggest chance of beating him because he's a superb Greco-Roman wrestler..If Nog can do this same thing in the early rounds (which I doubt) I think he can pull-it off.this is one advantage of wrestling that is overlooked,,on how you wear out your opponents by simply putting the pressure on.look how a lot fresher Brock was against Herring after 3rounds that is because he was totally in control of the wrestling game in that fight.against Randy he can't be 'easy' that's why he exerted a lot of energy for him not to be taken down.

Now we know Brock can only improve his sub-D but so as Nog I think he should and would improve his wrestling.If he does then he would surely have the advantage.and on the monstrous arms and neck,,i think Sapps is too dumb of a fighter to be even mention.you're absolutely right that it's an insult to compare him.I think he's a lot bigger,but that doesn't mean he is stronger.What I'm tryin to say is it's tough to catch a wrestler's arm offguard because they pay a lot of attention on it coz its such a major factor to their balance and they won't usually make that stupid mistake i think.much more difficult if its real strong and huge.I think their legs and ankles is pretty much their achilles heels..So I guess Nog has a bigger chance if he would intentionally choose to be on full-guard than trying to be on a more dominant position.I think when he's on his back he has the biggest chance of submitting Brock I say maybe via triangle choke or like Mir did he can catch a leg on a scramble.

LMAO on the 'josh would crucify brock' statement.not that I find it absurb,,I actually think he would beat Brock..I was just imagining him literally crucified,,i mean how big that cross shuld hav to be.and what size of nails to be used considering he wears 4XL gloves!!!

Reps here too for the Nog-CroCop reminder,,that was a tremendous display of heart for Minotauro.