First of all both Roy Jones Jr, and Bernard Hopkins were green, second can you name one fighter that would have even competed with that version of Roy Jones JR at middleweight or supermiddleweight? This is the guy who would have destroyed prett anybody he fought, he was too fast, too smart, too good.

Second, the first fight could have easily gone either way, and was a super close fihgt. The second fight was also close, but even without the knockdown round people should have had Pacquiao ahead by a point. With the knockdown it takes a Marquez hardcore fan boy IMO to see him winning, just like the people who thought Oscar's fight with Mayweather was close.