Pavlik wants Froch..Popkins wants Froch... Froch wants Bute

[JazMerkin]

I disagree there,

He didn't push him, look at the tape again, if you would say "Andrade did slip" I would say that it can be discussed though after reviewing the fight several times I am convinced he did knock him down. The rounds weren't even close, even on ESPN they did state that Andrade was getting schooled till the last 10 seconds, the closeness was just not there, Andrade had all difficulties to touch him. As for the revenge, I bet you 100 euros that Bute school him and doesn't get knocked out at all, Bute did everything well except for the last 10 seconds, he won't repeat that mistake again.

Last 10 seconds?? So he was doing good when he was collapsing onto the ropes with about 30 seconds left?? Only a Bute fanboy could think that was not a push, it was the least legitimate KD I can remember. Yes, no doubt Bute schooled him for probably 9 or 10 of the previous 11 rounds, but the simple fact is Wright gave the fight to Bute. Regardless of opinion on what happened at the end, it was some of the most corrupt refereeing I have ever seen. Also making money bets is always laughable, why not bet 1 million euros as there is as much chance of that being paid

I am impartial, I like Bute, sure, but I have always been impartial for these situations as it goes from the credibility of boxing.
First of all, it is not 30 seconds before the end but between 13 and 12 seconds, the time for the referee to give a count (telling, absolutely according to the rules) to Andrade to go back to his corner and to resume the fight.
Second, If you look at the match carefully, it's Andrade who was furiously jumping in Bute "Hatton" style to bully him, Bute had no choice to clinch because Andrade was virtually on him and it costs less energy to just clinch in these moments than to push plainly.
Third, I say 100 euros because I could afford such bet, I would never bet something I can't afford or that would put me in problems, no matter how, call me a conservatism prick but I would never put my life on the edge. In the same vein, as you don't know me at all, can I ask you how can you question my integrity and my "real will" to honore the bet to the end? If I would bet one million, I could understand as it is a bit crazy or unrealistic, 10 000 I could understand perhaps as well as it sounds the money that most don't have, but 100...

Also, Let's see what some of the greatest experts/professionals/important insiders have to say on the matter, by the book, the referee was right according to most specialists, this controversy, actually, has been steered up mainly by golden boy promotions (the same one that almost bailed before the fight because they wanted Interbox to force Bute to box with their gloves even though in the contract it was stipulated that the champion decides which gloves to use):

Russ Anber on the matter: http://watch.tsn.ca/in-this-corner/clip106538clip106538

Cannot see the clip, but using the premier Canadian boxing analyst is like someone referencing Steve Bunce to show Calzaghe beat Hopkins or that Jennings could beat Cotto. These guys almost always back the local boy.

Muhammad, president of the IBF on the matter: RDS - Bute : aucune irr�gularit� selon l'IBF (he's a prick but on that one he,s kinda right)

The President of the IBF, well of course he's going to back Wright, he's the one who allowed him to yet again referee a Bute fight (how many is that btw?). If he goes against Wright, he looks bad for selecting him.

The very respected George Kimball about the false controversy of a robing in Montreal: Lucian Bute defeats Librado Andrade, but questions remain - ESPN

George Kimball certainly does not say there is a false controversy, he says it is real, but that he thought Bute got up in time, that is fair enough. However, he acknowledges how bad Wright's performance was. Incidentally, his report is full of inaccuracies such as the fact Bute was floored with a left, it was a right.

An article where Guy Jutras, judge over 81 fights state that Marlon B Wright didn’t do any wrongdoing and refereed the bout by the book: National Post Story

Another link that doesn't work. Well, Jutras has never refereed a world championship fight, and his judging has been off a number of times for me, such as in the Pacquiao-Marquez fight. However, as a Canadian judge & former ref, do you really think that he would not have some relationship with Wright & come out & defend him. It's just like how refs & judges in this country defended Dave Parris after the Hatton-Tszyu & Khan-MAB fights.

You're about as impartial on this as Danny G is about Cotto.

Okay since you questioned the 30 second thing, here's 2 separate angles on video showing Bute out on his feet with 30 seconds remaining, the first particularly shows that he would have hit the canvas without the ropes with about 15-18 seconds left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6WAfosj0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPM5GVe3yc

The second also gives a rundown on how Wright favoured Bute, the ridiculous KD, and how his count differed dramatically for both men. All there needs to be is consistency. Now I'm perfectly willing to accept the argument that Bute made it up in time, even though I personally don't think he did, I can see how someone could argue that. What I can't understand is how anyone can defend Wright's performance, he let Bute hold Andrade's leg for the love of god.

On your first point, why is Wright looking at Andrade when he should be administering the count? His focus should be on the guy who's been taking a beating instead, because he has to be checking his eyes making sure he's ok. Andrade is on the other side of the ring, he's not loitering just behind Wright in a position where he could be on him in a second should he get up. As the video shows above Bute is out on his feet for the last 30 seconds & its referees not stepping in at these times that can lead to guys dying in the ring. His priority is the safety of the fighter not trying to help his mate retain his belt.

On your second point, yes both men were playing a little dirty, but Andrade is not going to outbox Bute, he just doesn't have the talent, he has to get on the inside, and Bute knew how to play there, but the difference was Wright let him do it, such as when he let him lift Andrade's leg off the ground. Do not try & paint it as just Andrade who was willing to bully. It obviously didn't cost that much energy to push as he was happy to do it to get a KD.

Your third point about the money. Hey, I'll take that bet with you, and if Andrade wins you send me the money yeah? If Bute wins, well like you say, you don't know me, so you can just trust in my good nature

As for you list of the 'greatest experts' well I've put my thoughts above in red, although it was not Golden Boy stirring this up, it was public opinion. Find the threads about that fight on here or any boxing thread & you will see from the moment it happened how 99% of posters felt about Marlon B. Wrong. Now I don't want to hold anything against Bute, he's a great fighter, and I think he could even beat Kessler, and he'd take the piss with Froch. Moreover he showed some greats skills & heart throughout that fight & looked fantastic against Zuniga. I wouldn't be amazed if he beats Andrade in their rematch, he is something special. However, for you to defend everything he did shows you are not impartial as you say, if you were you would acknowledge how bad what went on that night was for the credibility of boxing.