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I will compare Wlad to whoever I want. Floyd, Roy, and Bernard had every physical advantage you could have over an opponent (especially Floyd and Roy), they were some of the most physically gifted fighters (to me roy is the most physically gifted fighter ever) yet hold back because they dont want to LOSE. AND they didnt always fight the best in their division. 7.
is there any "best" of the heavyweight division at this point? You act like the Ring Rankings at heavyweight mean anything.

And Floyd imposes his will on people he is bigger that or feels he can. Ask Phillip Ndou DeMarcus Corely and Arturo Gatti how passive Mayweather is and Mayweather isn't a one shot KO guy either. Roy Jones Jr imposed his will differently on the fighter he had greater advantages over. And Roy was a small light heavyweight and Hopkins was a come forward fighter early in his career and then he was a boxer puncher later on, watch his fight with Antawn Echols the rematch where he dislocated his arm. Hopkins style only became defensive when he was hitting the ages of 38, 39, 40 which is understandable.

You cannot compare them to Wladimer. Neither of them were 6'6 and have a near 10 inch reach advantage over everyone else they fought. Hopkins was rarely taller of "bigger" then anyone he fought and the same goes for Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather.

Wladimer outweights everyone he fights by almost 30 pounds average has over 4 inches in height on them and has almost a 10 inch reach advantage on them.

He has no excuse.

And donm't bash Roy for not fighting the best in his division and then say what WLad does means anymore. Basically the Heavyweight division isn't about fighting the best its about fighting who is the most popular. When everyone in the division is 6'1 or 6'3 and 220 pounds and you are 6'6 and 250 pounds is it really fighting the best? Like I said, Wladimer is the best at heavyweight but that doesn't mean anything at this point he has no one to challenge him because of his height, weight and physical gifts. He is a big fish in a small pond. Nothing more, nothing less. Roy and Floyd both moved up in divisions to win their titles and get their achievements, they didn't sit still at one weight class and give performances of jabs for 12 rounds just because they could. If Roy wanted to do that he'd have just stayed his whole career at middle or super middleweight and Floyd would have stayed at super featherweight.

Wiadimer has no excuse for his sub par performances. Tell me one thing he has to be worried about? He has youth on his side. Speed on his side. Power on his side. Height on his side. Reach on his side. Why is he fighting passively?
Why does he need an excuse though? He's the universally recognised heavyweight champion of the world, he makes millions and has a massive massive fanbase in Europe, Germany and the Ukraine especially.

As long as he keeps winning, doesn't get hurt and keeps his health what more does he want?

The onus isn't on him to change its on his opposition to work out an effective gameplan and beat him.

Why moan at Wlad for winning, and not Chagaev, Rahman, Thompson, Ibragimov, Austin etc for not offering him any challenge?
Because there is no challenge in the heavyweight division. Look at the list of names.

I don't bash Wladimer for winning I bash him for winning the way he does against people he has every advantage over and should be knocking out.

How did Rahman last even as long as he did against him? Rahman has been done for the last 5 years. And how did Rahman, or Thompson or Austin even get a shot at Wladimer?

Like I said its a division where its not about fighting the best its about fighting the most popular and right now no one at heavyweight is popular. The guy that gets the most press up there is someone who is a Cruiserweight(David Haye) and Arreola who obviously isn't ready for the step up at this point. Even when Mike Tyson had a weak heavyweight division he steamrolled through them all because he could. Wladimer for all intents and purposes should steamroll everyone he fights.

Why doesnt he?