Quote Originally Posted by Jimboogie View Post
Manny doesn't give a tuppeny f*** about the WBO welterweight title he wants the prestige of beating the eliter juniorwelter/welter Miguel Cotto.

Both are P4P stars, they are NOT soley single division stars.

The weight class isn't important.

It doesn't taint the purity of the sport in any way. Having Juan Urango as a light welter world champ because Paulie Malignaggi wouldn't pay enough sanctioning fees to these greedy organistations is what taints the sport.

Manny Pacqauio is both bigger and better for the sport than the WBO welterweight strap.

No fan in the world cares about the history or heritage of that belt or any other.

When you watch a fight you arn't watching to see how the history of the WBO belt is going to unfurl they may as well be fighting for marbles or cream eggs, it just doesn't matter.

Manny vs Cotto is one of the biggest and best fights that can be made in our sport, from both a commercial and entertainment point of view, (to say nothing of legacy for both fighters) and anybody who would rather this didn't happen than to see the purity of the WBO belt heritage tarnished is just a complete idiot.

I admire your ability to take what someone says and make those comments seem as though they are in a totally different context….

I have never once said that Catchweights are detrimental to the sport of boxing because they tarnish the purity of a belt. No one anti-Cathcweight on this board has even mentioned Belts as a factor in their argument. I find you guilty of Fabrication Bilbo.

My reference to detriment comes purely out the notion that Cathweight is (as I said before) in essence, a demand. These demands have away of filtering through out a sport. Hence it’s not the purity of Alphabet titles that is at stake… It’s the maturing disregard for weight classes themselves.





Miguel can fight at 140 or 147, again he doesn't exist soley in any single division he is a p4p star.


Bullshit, Cotto is NOW soely a Welterweight. For example, who do you think Cotto would rather of fought. Hatton, or Margarito?




A lot of the most eagerly anticipated fights arn't. Cazlaghe Hopkins was a non title catchweight fight and I don't remember any complaints. So was Pavlik Hopkins.

Yet not a single person on this board complained that Pavlik and Calzaghe were cowards, forcing Hopkins to 'drain' himself and that the fights tarnished boxing.

In fact when Winky fought Hopkins also at a catchweight everyone said Winky was too small, even though once again Hopkins 'drained' himself by moving down to 168.

Again, this is a complete fabrication of the REAL truth.

Hopkins fought Winky at 170… not Super Middle.
And while Winky was clearly too small for the weight there’s NO WAY IN HELL Hopkins had to sacrifice anything for this fight. This ‘catchweight’ was no way a middle-ground.

In fact I remember correctly, when Hopkins initially decided to make the leap from 160 to 170+ He had to hire a top notch, overpriced Conditioning coach to ensure Hopkins bulked up for the higher weight.

Hopkins was making 160 with ease and to be honest, is much bigger up at this new weight. Its not like he couldn’t make 160, or 168.
He’s whole ploy has clearly been to do quite the opposite to what Pacquiao is trying to do now (equally as faggoty IMO ).

Finally a key point I’d like to make here is that Calzaghe, Pavlik and Wright were all consenting adult Meaning that they agreed the terms, which is fine for them. This doesn’t mean its fine for everybody.

Its also worth noting Bilbo that clearly Wright and Pavlik made the wrong choice in deciding to fight at 170. They only fighter who had any business moving up in weight actually beat Hopkins (Can you actually believe it!? ).




Really with guys like Juan Urango, Giacobbe Fragomeni, Karoly Balzsay, Malcom Klassen and Paulos Moses all being recognised as world champions, does it really 'tarnish' the sport if the unquestioned most exciting, explosive, dynamic little fighter in the world today gets given a WBO strap if he vanquishes the current holder a couple pounds below the max weight limit?

No doubt to some f***ing moany, whiny people it will be a travesty, but thankfully the boxing world pays no attention at all to them........

You don’t solve a problem by creating another one. Catchweights don’t solve the problem of weak paper champions.

IMO you make it sound like Manny Pacquio is he saviour of boxing and that fighting Cotto at the sacred weight of 143 will solve all of Boxing’s problems.

Bullshit. This fight would be a shot of Sugar in the arm and nothing more.
Well first off I wasn't referring to you at all in my last post, I didn't even realise you had posted regarding this I was talking about Adam and the like.

Secondly all your points just seem like a mass of contradiction to me.

How can you say Winky and Pavlik were dragged UP to a catchweight fight where B Hop coming DOWN was taking advantage of them and yet when Pacquaio moves up much further than both these guys he's taken advantage of Cotto?

Also if you want to try and say Hopkins could make 170 easily so he was at no disadvantage then what about when he fought Oscar at a catchweight of 158? If he was so naturally big for the weight how did he manage at almost 40 to shed those two precious pounds and weigh in under 160 for that fight?

Your logic needs to be consistent. If Manny is getting too big an advantage in bringing Cotto down a couple of pounds whilst moving up several himself then how come this advantage hasn't worked for anyone else, like Pavlik, Oscar and Winky against B Hop, like Cotto against Mosely, or even for the great Sugar Ray Leonard against Thomas Hearns, where Hearns defended his super middleweight title at a catchweight of 162 lbs and most people felt clearly won the fight?

Cotto is much smaller for his weight than Hopkins or Hearns were, and he's younger too, to say nothing of the fact that he doesn't even weigh in at the max 147 lb limit anyway.

How is he a full blown welterweight when he routinely weighs in at 146?

He can go to 145 EASILY, and if he can't SHAME ON HIM. If Mosely can do it, Hopkins can do it, Henry Armstrong could do it, Thomas Hearns could do it then why can't Cotto do it?

Manny is not a welterweight, and Cotto is not a big welterweight. Both can make 145 without any problems whatsoever so all this debate is pointless.