Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
I've never really seen anybody who's seen a fair amount of him say anything but that he was pretty amazing. Its not a conspiracy. And Andre Ward has not fought better opposition than Nonito Donaire.

I don't think he's on a different planet than Joe though. I've never been a fan of Joe but whether or not he looks smooth, and he obviously is nowhere near as precise as Lopez, his style and physical gifts are a handful for anybody. I think it was Mick, may not have been, who I disagreed with too when he said he was completely on a different level than JMM, I think that's going a bit over the top.
I've got to be honest, & I'm sure plenty will disagree, but at the moment I rate Lopez & JMM about even, Lopez slightly ahead at the moment. If JMM retires after Floyd fight, win or lose he will have fought at least 4 guys who I think are certs for the hall in Floyd, MAB, Pac & Casamayor & ignoring the PBF fight which Lopez cannot match.

As for Bilbo's argument, it all pretty much went downhill when he started talking about penises & I think killer debunked it all pretty well.