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I have Winky@1,B Hop,as amazing as he is (and I think he beat JT at least once_),I don't think should be there.He has lost 2 of his last 3.The history books will say JT beat B Hop twice so he should be there more than B Hop.JLC should defintely not be there anymore and Wonjongkam does not deserve to be there more than Arce/Calderon.
I see what you are saying but if hop shouldn't be there than neither should taylor.A disputed win over one man should not get you on the list. I didn't even put hatton on list at first and he stopped tszyu. Why?Cause fighting and beating 1 man does not prove you are pound for pound. It proves you have potential.Hop didn't get on the list for 1 guy. He worked hard for years and only hit the top during the end of his career.Imo taylor lost those fights and looked like a novice in both. That ain't the stuff pound for pounders are made of.
Wow,nice stuf,CC bro.Looking at it your way though would mean leaving out Hatton and JT,can you do me your P4P list then??Just out of interest.

Quote Originally Posted by bilbo
Taylor should be there, the hate this guy gets is incredible.

If Taylor looked S*** in his two fights with Hopkins then Hopkins obviously looked even more so.

Hopkins beat Tarver, but lets be honest Tarver just wasn't there that night. I reckon Virgil Hill or Thomas Hearns could have beat him on that showing.
It's not hate,I like the guy but the first fight could have gone either way,the second to JT but in neither fight did he look like a world beater.He looked OK....at best.He was fighting a 40 year old albeit a wily one but you would think he would have let his hands go more etc People see it more as Bernard losing than Taylor winning and I can concur with that view.Evidence of that can be seen in the latter stages of fight 1 where B Hop,upped the work rate a tiny bit and Taylor could not handle it.


Ok,sooo,I'm buzzing,Mr Manicks outlook has changed my own view on P4P,maybe I have Hatton too high,I mean it is not only skill but who you have beaten etc is 1 admittedly A* win enough for top 5 position??Let's talk people.

I'm tired of all this 40 year old talk. Bernard Hopkins may have been 40 but he was like no 40 year old to ever fight in the ring. Bernard Hopkins was as good then as he ever was. Dont bring that to the table.