Is Nonito Donaire really the 6th best boxer in the world??

[Kev]

Right.. but Froch has a better record than Guzman, right? He has beat a "star." He is unbeaten.

So judging P4P by resumes Froch would beat Guzman?

What idiot what back Froch to beat Guzman in a P4P fight?

None of what your saying is relavent. Why not let's just give Guzman a world title belt then as he'd likely win it anyway?

Fighters have to EARN their p4p spot not just get it handed to them because you 'think' they would beat the guy who holds the title.

Right now Froch, whether you like him or not is the undefeated super middlweight world champ, with wins over Taylor, Pascal and Dirrell.

Guzman is currently beltless and in a mythical p4p matchup between the two would be going in as the challenger with Froch being the champ. Yes he might start betting favourite, but he doesn't win the belt, or the place in the rankings occupied by Froch until he BEATS him.

That's how sporting competition works my friend, athletes judged on their acomplishments not their 'potential'.

if that was the case Darren Sutherlan RIP would be the Olympic Gold Medallist and James De Gale would have gone home in the semi finals

P4P is about mythical match-ups with the size and weight leveled. That's the point of it. It is fantasy. You can't be proved right or wrong UNLESS the fighters actually fight.

If Wlad/Vitali took on Mayweather or Pac they'd kill them. The fight could not even happen, right?

But P4P (if they were the same size) Floyd or Pac would kill them, right?

That's why the emphasis should be on skill. Would you seriously back Froch against Guzman? Come on now..

It's still a process based on strict selection criteria though.

As for Floyd/Manny being the same size as Wlad/Vitali, truthfully I don't know who would win. How could you possibly predict what would happen?

Is Floyd jumping up to 6 ft 7 here or is Vitali coming down to 5 ft 7?

Does Floyd keep the same speed at this mythical weight? If so does Vitali keep the same power and length of jab? See how this is going, it's impossible to compare really and therefore the emphasis is on acomplishments.

Heavyweights arn't traditionally included in p4p assesments anyway but if they were I guess Wlad and David Haye would both have to be considerd. As much as I hate the Hayemaker, he is the former undisputed cruiserweight king and now heavyweight champ of the world. On a p4p scale if heavyweights were included I'd probably have him at number 10 even though I think his opposition was garbage and I believe there are 10 other fighters at heavyweight who could starch him.

The fact is, he has achieved what he has acheived fair and square and should be rated accordingly.