Among the smarter posters in this thread are Ouma Fan and Zhubin - A word of advice though :- Give up trying to get past these people's naivity about performance enhancing drugs.

It's not just most Pac fans in this thread but the public in general who don't have a clue about how common PED use is in sport and how piss poor (excuse the pun) the methods of testing are as well as the advancements in the different types of drugs.

I was naive to it too when I was young but difference is I went and did some research. Most people who have an opinion on it are educated through the media who don't have a clue.

The demonization of our best sprinter, Dwain Chambers in the U.K was a perfect example. Even the owner of Balco who supplied the drugs said that most people shitting on Dwain were users themselves!! This is the cut-throat nature of big money sports.

The only thing that is "plain and simple" ironically, is that we don't know for sure unless someone is proven guilty...and this is very difficult because of the crap testing/exotic new drugs/drug cycling with short acting drugs that leave the body quickly.