Quote Originally Posted by Julius Rain View Post
It could depend on the weight.

JMM may not be as great above 135. However Pac may not be as great below 140. As for Shane I think he does beat JMM at 147 but that could be because of how poor JMM is above 135.

JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?
Do we know how good JMM is above 135? He could very well be nearly as successful as Pacquiao if he moved up to 140 and 147, I don't think he could ever match Manny's power and speed, but he is almost as effective offensively IMO.

I don't think it's fair to base JMM competence on the fight against Floyd, because it's Floyd Mayweather. Marquez and Pacquiao are combination punchers when they are at their best, and nobody lands combinations on Floyd. Stylistically Marquez wouldn't have had the speed to deal with Mayweather even if they were the same size. Honestly, besides a couple of inches in height Floyd wasn't that much bigger than Marquez, and he was just as much faster when he was a lightweight as Marquez is at 135. I think people see Marquez being dramatically slower at 147 because we can compare it directly to his last fight which took place at 135, but go back and look at Floyd at 135 and he was way faster in terms of footspeed. Everyone gets slower as they get bigger, and Floyd wasn't that much bigger than JMM maybe 4 pounds and two inches taller.

Back to the point, I think Mosley matches up much better physically against Manny than JMM does, and I think JMM does well stylistically against Pacquiao, maybe even better than Mosley, but it's impossible to tell because we've seen Pacquiao fight somebody with a style roughly like JMM's about 7 times, and we haven't seen fight somebody like Mosley ever. That's why it intrigues me far more. Even Berto's blistering speed and ability on the outside makes me feel like he is a better and more unique challenge than JMM is for Manny, but I think he gets knocked out because he doesn't seem to have the mental sharpness to fight against Pacquiao for 12 rounds. He just hasn't shown it.