Know what you saying but new fans coming in now will think Roy Jones and Holyfield are journeyman bums. Only in time when they look back will they realise what they were. Casual fans may never appreciate.

And an end record with like 10 defeats (not sure what they both on) don't look good does it to an outsider but if they can get on all time lists then they will do ok

By the way I don't remember Ali losing twice by KO !??! Just the one inside distance defeat when Dundee pulled him out