Is James Toney insane?

**Spicoli** · 08-09-2011 07:38 AM

I like Toney and have to say also...he made Rahman quit on his stool in rematch. I thought that was clear, he shook him to his heels prior to cut or no cut blah.

**Boxer4life** · 08-13-2011 09:49 PM

Call me crazy, but i think an old IN SHAPE toney can do damage.

**johnsebastianmiran** · 08-15-2011 08:11 PM

I was never a James Toney fan for the record but here is a man than would have been great with all those moves except that he hasn't met an entree on any menu that he didn't love. David Tua is another one that really disappointed fans because he could not be dragged away from a spare rib dinner tied to a herd of wild horses. I was reading some posts before this and someone said not to expect too much from a forty plus individual like Tua. What about Bernard Hopkins? He's the oldest champion in history and he looks as young as guys in their thirties body wise. James Toney isn't insane he is lazy. He had the potential and it escaped him at the dinner bell. I bet the dog hides his dish when Toney is around.

**greynotsoold** · 08-16-2011 03:26 AM

In 1991 (or 92, around there), in a KO magazine interview, Toney said that he would be heavyweight champ by 2004. (Marblehead, I'm suprised you don't remember.) So maybe crazy like a fox.
A lot of wasted opportunity, that's for sure. He has to be kicking himself, seeing Hopkins giving boxing lessons, when he was always the better fighter. Bill Miller taught him real well and he can fight all night with a minimum of energy expended.
Who knows what he has left at 43 or 44? I'd love to see him fight Hopkins...unless the two of them did business and decided to make it a non-contact event.

**Youngblood** · 08-16-2011 03:54 AM

people think he's nuts and for a while i thought he might be too. punch drunk or w/e. but when i saw him go in the mma ring, they come out to fight and 25 seconds later he lays on his back, taps and yells, "Pay me. Pay me now!' lol i knew then, he knows whats up.

**Gandalf** · 08-16-2011 07:10 AM

I posted this in the other Toney thread, but the man seems to have got himself in shape. Clearly an improvement on the bloated beast of the last fight and the thinnest he has been in ages. But as I said there, can he still fight? I am curious and really hope so.

Slim and fit James Toney means business!

**Master** · 08-16-2011 08:20 PM

I think he must be taking slimming drugs to lose that weight.

**Hulk** · 08-17-2011 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Youngblood

people think he's nuts and for a while i thought he might be too. punch drunk or w/e. but when i saw him go in the mma ring, they come out to fight and 25 seconds later he lays on his back, taps and yells, "Pay me. Pay me now!' lol i knew then, he knows whats up.

He lasted a little longer than 25 seconds, he lasted about 3 minutes and fought the submission for a bit, but then tapped.

Sad part was he didn't throw or land a single punch !

**Youngblood** · 08-17-2011 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Hulk

Originally Posted by Youngblood

people think he's nuts and for a while i thought he might be too. punch drunk or w/e. but when i saw him go in the mma ring, they come out to fight and 25 seconds later he lays on his back, taps and yells, "Pay me. Pay me now!' lol i knew then, he knows whats up.

He lasted a little longer than 25 seconds, he lasted about 3 minutes and fought the submission for a bit, but then tapped.

Sad part was he didn't throw or land a single punch !

I was obv exaggeration for effect. And it was obvious he cared a lot more about getting paid then winning. i mean, he did just enough to not get called a cheat, make Dana White and MMA fans happy, and collect a huge check by mma standards.

He knew his sacrificial lamb role and played it perfectly. And did it without getting so much as a scratch. He was never going to win, we knew it, he knew it, and at the end of the day everyone was happy.

**Hulk** · 08-17-2011 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Youngblood

Originally Posted by Hulk

Originally Posted by Youngblood

people think he's nuts and for a while i thought he might be too. punch drunk or w/e. but when i saw him go in the mma ring, they come out to fight and 25 seconds later he lays on his back, taps and yells, "Pay me. Pay me now!' lol i knew then, he knows whats up.

He lasted a little longer than 25 seconds, he lasted about 3 minutes and fought the submission for a bit, but then tapped.

Sad part was he didn't throw or land a single punch !

I was obv exaggeration for effect. And it was obvious he cared a lot more about getting paid then winning. i mean, he did just enough to not get called a cheat, make Dana White and MMA fans happy, and collect a huge check by mma standards.

He knew his sacrificial lamb role and played it perfectly. And did it without getting so much as a scratch. He was never going to win, we knew it, he knew it, and at the end of the day everyone was happy.

Calm down.

Yes it was a disgrace that is for sure. I watchd it live on PPV and was greatly disapointed with his "effort" and he clearly put a lot of training in preparing for that match.