Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez isn't a welter or he would have remained there or around there after the Floyd failure.

Ortiz just seems too raw to pose any problem for Floyd. There is no doubt at all to the outcome of this fight to me whereas with Manny and Marquez, I believe there is a chance that even with the added weight, Marquez may still pose stylistic problems for Manny.

[ruthless rocco]

if floyd sits ringside at your most recent fight, where you have the best performance of your young career and you end up beating an up and coming superstar...turning you into a young superstar yourself...and he then picks you to fight him as his first fight in over a year.... you can be sure you're gonna get destroyed.

i'd take marquez over ortiz if they met.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Marquez and it's not debatable.

[Fenster]

I misunderstood the question.

Marquez has already beat Pac twice IMO. However, I believe this Pac, at this weight, is going to stop him.

Ortiz-Floyd is a complete unknown. If Floyd wins easy everyone will say it was expected. If FLoyd loses most "experts" will say he's clearly past his best.

So, on paper, Marquez is a far tougher opponent. If Marquez-Pac is close it will be nothing we haven't seen already.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Even tough Marquez is the smaller man, he is the technician that gives Manny problems.

[miron_lang]

Marquez

- dominated by Floyd
-Will be competitive against Pac at any weight
-Beats Ortiz @135 Gets Kayoed @147


Ortiz

-Gets dominated by Floyd UD possibly KO
-Gets dominated by Pac KO possibly UD
-Kayoes Marquez @147, loses @135


Marquez p4p



Different sized fighters.

Marquez 1st division 126
Ortiz 1st division 140



I'll bet on Marquez @138 CW

[Gandalf]

Marquez is an unknown at these weights, he fought the best and looked very average. Ortiz fought a top fighter and won a tough fight.

Ortiz is clearly the bigger opponent, but Marquez has the pedigree. It's a guess as to who is tougher because of the different styles and variables.

I think Mayweather has more chance of stopping Ortiz than he did Marquez.

[Pugilistic]

P4P Marquez is a better fighter than Ortiz but how good is he at welterweight.

His only fight at welterweight against Floyd Mayweather, he looked terrible. Being that it was Floyd though, you could point to it being more of a bad matchup for him than the weight or a combination of both.

One thing was clear in that fight was Marquez didn't have power. Mayweather laughed at his punches and i think in his previous fights with Pacquiao that the reason he had so much success was because he was able to get Pacquiao to respect his punching power combined with the fact he had excellent timing, good footwork and he could land in combinations.

What we do know about Ortiz is that his speed, size, ability and most importantly his power have carried up to welterweight and as proof, he is coming off his best win against a top welterweight in Berto who he beat decisively.

Based on their credentials at welterweight, Ortiz is the tougher opponent but if Marquez is able to perform against Pacquiao like he did in their previous fights, he's the tougher opponent.

[Rantcatrat]

P4P Marquez is a better fighter than Ortiz but how good is he at welterweight.

His only fight at welterweight against Floyd Mayweather, he looked terrible. Being that it was Floyd though, you could point to it being more of a bad matchup for him than the weight or a combination of both.

One thing was clear in that fight was Marquez didn't have power. Mayweather laughed at his punches and i think in his previous fights with Pacquiao that the reason he had so much success was because he was able to get Pacquiao to respect his punching power combined with the fact he had excellent timing, good footwork and he could land in combinations.

What we do know about Ortiz is that his speed, size, ability and most importantly his power have carried up to welterweight and as proof, he is coming off his best win against a top welterweight in Berto who he beat decisively.

Based on their credentials at welterweight, Ortiz is the tougher opponent but if Marquez is able to perform against Pacquiao like he did in their previous fights, he's the tougher opponent.

Did Marquez hit Mayweather once during that whole fight? He's hit Pacquiao before and I believe he'll hit Pacqiuao again, not enough to win, but enough to make it interesting for a few rounds.

[xtianco]

for me its marquez.. in the third match.. it will be a awesome fight..

[Jody Lane]

Personally I think Ortiz because I think he is gonna take Mayweather out. I see history repeating itself again as in 1991 and 2003/4. In 1991 Sugar Ray Leonard came out of almost 2 years of inactivity and got scrambled by Terry Norris. In 2003/2004 Roy Jones Jr who was thought unbeatable was lucky to escape with a win then taken out in 2 rounds by Antonio Tarver.

Both Leonard and Jones relied on incredible speed and when they slowed half a step in seemed they were highly beatable. Mayweather I believe will meet the same fate on September 17th.

As i have said many times before, just my opinion--I may be wrong (and have been many times here in the last 8 years).

[Rantcatrat]

Personally I think Ortiz because I think he is gonna take Mayweather out. I see history repeating itself again as in 1991 and 2003/4. In 1991 Sugar Ray Leonard came out of almost 2 years of inactivity and got scrambled by Terry Norris. In 2003/2004 Roy Jones Jr who was thought unbeatable was lucky to escape with a win then taken out in 2 rounds by Antonio Tarver.

Both Leonard and Jones relied on incredible speed and when they slowed half a step in seemed they were highly beatable. Mayweather I believe will meet the same fate on September 17th.

As i have said many times before, just my opinion--I may be wrong (and have been many times here in the last 8 years).

Do you believe Mayweather relies on speed or athleticism in the same way Jones did?

[BoxingGorilla]

I voted Ortiz. Pac has already faced Marquez and knows what is getting himself into.

[Rantcatrat]

I voted Ortiz. Pac has already faced Marquez and knows what is getting himself into.

I'll eat crow if Ortiz presents Mayweather with any sort of problem and if Marquez doesn't cause any problems for Pacquiao.

Truthfully, I believe there is confusion between Ortiz being the best opponent at 147 for Mayweather other than Pacquiao and Ortiz actually being a tough fight for Mayweather. The two are not the same. Similarly, I believe there is confusion with the Marquez fight happening at 147, not 140 or 135, and, thus, Marquez won't be able to match up with Pacquiao effectively. People are angry that the fight is happening at all because they want Pacquiao to fight Mayweather with the tests and/or because they view Marquez as passed it and isn't suited to the weight class. Some of that sentiment is warranted, but it shouldn't be confused with the fact that Marquez will still be a tough outing for Pacquiao just look at the empirical evidence.

[Master]

Marquez and it's not debatable.

Ortiz and it is not debatable.