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    Default Re: Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

    P4P Marquez is a better fighter than Ortiz but how good is he at welterweight.

    His only fight at welterweight against Floyd Mayweather, he looked terrible. Being that it was Floyd though, you could point to it being more of a bad matchup for him than the weight or a combination of both.

    One thing was clear in that fight was Marquez didn't have power. Mayweather laughed at his punches and i think in his previous fights with Pacquiao that the reason he had so much success was because he was able to get Pacquiao to respect his punching power combined with the fact he had excellent timing, good footwork and he could land in combinations.

    What we do know about Ortiz is that his speed, size, ability and most importantly his power have carried up to welterweight and as proof, he is coming off his best win against a top welterweight in Berto who he beat decisively.

    Based on their credentials at welterweight, Ortiz is the tougher opponent but if Marquez is able to perform against Pacquiao like he did in their previous fights, he's the tougher opponent.

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    Default Re: Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    P4P Marquez is a better fighter than Ortiz but how good is he at welterweight.

    His only fight at welterweight against Floyd Mayweather, he looked terrible. Being that it was Floyd though, you could point to it being more of a bad matchup for him than the weight or a combination of both.

    One thing was clear in that fight was Marquez didn't have power. Mayweather laughed at his punches and i think in his previous fights with Pacquiao that the reason he had so much success was because he was able to get Pacquiao to respect his punching power combined with the fact he had excellent timing, good footwork and he could land in combinations.

    What we do know about Ortiz is that his speed, size, ability and most importantly his power have carried up to welterweight and as proof, he is coming off his best win against a top welterweight in Berto who he beat decisively.

    Based on their credentials at welterweight, Ortiz is the tougher opponent but if Marquez is able to perform against Pacquiao like he did in their previous fights, he's the tougher opponent.
    Did Marquez hit Mayweather once during that whole fight? He's hit Pacquiao before and I believe he'll hit Pacqiuao again, not enough to win, but enough to make it interesting for a few rounds.

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    Default Re: Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    P4P Marquez is a better fighter than Ortiz but how good is he at welterweight.

    His only fight at welterweight against Floyd Mayweather, he looked terrible. Being that it was Floyd though, you could point to it being more of a bad matchup for him than the weight or a combination of both.

    One thing was clear in that fight was Marquez didn't have power. Mayweather laughed at his punches and i think in his previous fights with Pacquiao that the reason he had so much success was because he was able to get Pacquiao to respect his punching power combined with the fact he had excellent timing, good footwork and he could land in combinations.

    What we do know about Ortiz is that his speed, size, ability and most importantly his power have carried up to welterweight and as proof, he is coming off his best win against a top welterweight in Berto who he beat decisively.

    Based on their credentials at welterweight, Ortiz is the tougher opponent but if Marquez is able to perform against Pacquiao like he did in their previous fights, he's the tougher opponent.
    Did Marquez hit Mayweather once during that whole fight? He's hit Pacquiao before and I believe he'll hit Pacqiuao again, not enough to win, but enough to make it interesting for a few rounds.
    He was able to hit him clean a few times and when he did, Mayweather laughed them off.

    He won't have as much trouble hitting Pacquiao but will he be able to keep Pacquiao away hesitant from coming forward like he did in their other fights ? i don't think so.

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    Default Re: Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

    Ortiz is coming off his best win and I believe that is why people think he has any chance in this fight because if you had asked anyone prior to the Berto fight if Ortiz versus Mayweather was even a possiblility, let alone that it has the chance to be at all competitive, it would have been laughed off. Not to beat a dead horse, but this is a guy who quit against a crude slugger in Maidana and looked average against Peterson. Now to forget those fights, and to think he has even a chance against perhaps the greatest fighter of our generation because he beat Andre Berto to me is a mistake. I just don't see it.

    Is it possible I'm overrating Mayweather? Certainly. Is he really not as good as he's made out to be? Possible. Because if it is the same Mayweather that is highly regarded in so many boxing circles, I don't think Victor Ortiz stands a chance.

    In Marquez, it is possible that he has a chance because he has made both of his fights with Pacquiao very competitive. Marquez will still be able to time Pacquiao and counter Pacquiao. I believe you are right though, at this weight, his punches aren't as powerful, and at this age, his reflexes weren't quite what they were, and that is why Pacquiao should win. However, I guarantee Marquez times Pacquiao with a number of solid counter shots that make the fight interesting at spots.

    Interestingly, Nazim Richardson had a different take on it. When asked who would win between Ortiz and Mayweather, he wouldn't answer the question, but he repeated that Ortiz already won considering his background and that he grew up homeless on the streets and now he is getting a pay day against Mayweather. ESNEWS's Channel - YouTube

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    Default Re: Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Ortiz is coming off his best win and I believe that is why people think he has any chance in this fight because if you had asked anyone prior to the Berto fight if Ortiz versus Mayweather was even a possiblility, let alone that it has the chance to be at all competitive, it would have been laughed off. Not to beat a dead horse, but this is a guy who quit against a crude slugger in Maidana and looked average against Peterson. Now to forget those fights, and to think he has even a chance against perhaps the greatest fighter of our generation because he beat Andre Berto to me is a mistake. I just don't see it.

    Is it possible I'm overrating Mayweather? Certainly. Is he really not as good as he's made out to be? Possible. Because if it is the same Mayweather that is highly regarded in so many boxing circles, I don't think Victor Ortiz stands a chance.

    In Marquez, it is possible that he has a chance because he has made both of his fights with Pacquiao very competitive. Marquez will still be able to time Pacquiao and counter Pacquiao. I believe you are right though, at this weight, his punches aren't as powerful, and at this age, his reflexes weren't quite what they were, and that is why Pacquiao should win. However, I guarantee Marquez times Pacquiao with a number of solid counter shots that make the fight interesting at spots.

    Interestingly, Nazim Richardson had a different take on it. When asked who would win between Ortiz and Mayweather, he wouldn't answer the question, but he repeated that Ortiz already won considering his background and that he grew up homeless on the streets and now he is getting a pay day against Mayweather. ESNEWS's Channel - YouTube
    Good points RantCat, I just don't see Pac-JMM being competitive, whereas, i'm really expecting Ortiz to present Mayweather with some problems. I'm not persay, saying Victor will win, but it could be a close fight that could go either way and I don't see Floyd dominating like he usually does in the final rounds.
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