Youth culture - Race etc etc - David Starkey debate!

[Dark Lord Al]

All rioters with no exception , should have been warned via a loud speaker and given 20 mins to disband and go home.
Then the authorities should have opened fire with live ammunition , to show the who is running the show , all the families of the dead should then have had all wellfare taken away from them ( if on it ). No court appeals should have been allowed , and the bodies should have been made into a biofuel.

this is what i would have done given the chance.

The End.

Id take an iron fist over the fucking soft state we have right now in the uk.
mercy is for the weak.

[El Kabong]

Another reason people are rioting is because THEY HAVE TIME TO...if the state gives you money and the economy sucks and you don't have a job (and most of the bastards with the saggy clothes and sideways caps and the bad attitudes are in that crowd) then you've got plenty of time to sit and stew about how someone else has it better than you or how you can't afford some extravagence like an iPhone or whatever.

If these people had jobs they wouldn't riot... the same is true of the Gulfies, all that money and not jack shit to do but sit in the sandbox


...and on another note I am A-FUCKING-MAZED that the Union that works with Verizon wireless has chosen right now to strike and when I say strike I mean a full blooded "don't dare cross the pickett lines" strike...you know what, fuck those bastards, be happy you've got a job in this economy! I say fire them all and let people who WANT to work in there.

[imp]

good thread.

in my view they should bring back the cane in school (they wont!) and parents shouldnt be scared to hit their children (not with excessive force!)

The single parent family thing is not always the excuse. These kids dont need the army and they certainly dont always need a father in the life to teach them respect and good manners.

There should be an element of fear in every child in regards to their parents and elders and thats when they learn that respect..without that you have lawlessness.

[Memphis]

Starkey was like the governor of Alkatraz in Murder in the first when he was on the stand. If Christian Slater was in that debate he'd have goaded him into saying send the black bastards home for sure

[El Kabong]

I think the internet, texting, and decrease in actual good old fashioned face to face communication has begot a generation of keyboard warriors and the old addage "out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to feelings has to have an effect on the way these young heathens act.

Imagine, if you will, Person A calling Person B a "Cocksucking knuckle dragging son of a bitch" in two different situations: 1. Where Person A sits comfortably behind a computer screen in the safety of his own home 2. When Person A is face to face with Person B. In situation 1 Person A can only infer how Person B feels through written word, in situation 2 Person A can see a physical and emotional response first hand, one if which he can deduce the cosequences of he will more than likely experience a pause (if he has a conscience) before unleashing any verbal attack on Person B.

I think the internet and texting has created cyber bullies (yes as lame as that sounds for all parties invovled) AND in spite of technological advances good old fashioned bullying is more "hardcore" (to use the parlence of our time) than ever before.


These children lack discipline and they lack respect, and there's more than one way to build those traits....and the best way is not with a belt or a cane (believe it or not).

[Fenster]

Guy with over 30,000 posts is slating the emergence of internet forums.

Couldn't. Make. It. up.

Brilliant.

[El Kabong]

Guy with over 30,000 posts is slating the emergence of internet forums.

Couldn't. Make. It. up.

Brilliant.

Ironic in one sense yes, but very true in another. Everyone knows how damned dramatic high school is...now couple that with facebook and twitter (not to mention smart phones and youtube) and well everything gets turned up a few notches. Now when the histrionic teenager says "Everybody hates me!" or "I looked stupid in front of EVERYONE!"...you can literally check and see, when in the olden days the parents could calm the child down and reason with them....now everything is such a big damned deal "omg", "smh", "fml", and so on and so forth.

Laugh if you must but you know it to be true

[Howlin Mad Missy]

This.

TMBG - Youth Culture Killed My Dog 1984 demo - YouTube

[greynotsoold]

I don't understand...High school was dramatic? Where did you grow up? Maybe I totally missed out on the experience of entitlement and angst over not having everything...
What I am talking about is people that have nothing in the midst of plenty, are cut off from the hope of achieving any of it, and rebel violently. To say that all these people are lazy or cowardly is just flat out wrong- the lifestyle doesn't allow for laziness or cowardice. And, and here I'll use the word ignorant, saying that the 'criminal types' aren't disciplined by their parents is ignorant.
What do you think is the first step in learning not to give a fuck?

[El Kabong]

Well maybe not high school is dramatic, but high schoolERS are.

[Spicoli]

He sounds a bit of an out of date kook but his underlying point is stating the obvious as far as degeneration of society and youth. I don't know a thing about life in England today nor the local racial dynamics but know a little something about rioting, looting and living as a white in a majority black- Spanish locales. 6 years ago to almost this day I sat in the middle of another.The problem is not a white kid 'adopting' a lingo or way of dress and therefore a behavior...people do not wake up one A.M and say "I think I'll become a walking stereotype" for the most part. There are people who do and they are more comical than substantive. Think Charlie Z.

Its an ignorance thing....its an economic thing....and its a babies raising babies thing. Adapting to ones environment for sake of "survival" and more so having nil leadership in form of family and parents. I've seen white kids come up in an environment that did not 'lose' being white or have it taken. They came up just as broke and beaten and as hard as the next guy though in a bigger picture people thing all he has to do is stand straight and wear a new suit and he could pass in society. Not so. Its a hardened uneducated mind set within and until the cycle is broken it'll repeat and devolve. I started this post trying to get somewhere but what I really need is coffee..

[El Kabong]

You can be poor and still have class...hence the saying "You can't buy class". You can be from the projects and still be intelligent or go to Harvard and be a dope. You can go from broke to a millionaire just like you can be handed more money than you could ever hope to spend and lose every dime of it for being an idiot. No one forces this culture on people sure it's out there, but you don't HAVE to submit to it.

[Spicoli]

You can be poor and still have class...hence the saying "You can't buy class". You can be from the projects and still be intelligent or go to Harvard and be a dope. You can go from broke to a millionaire just like you can be handed more money than you could ever hope to spend and lose every dime of it for being an idiot. No one forces this culture on people sure it's out there, but you don't HAVE to submit to it.

I just think its a disservice and broad brush to label it a 'cultural' problem. Its an ignorance problem. Not 'black' culture at all. Culture is what rises to the top and is born at roots and not what you see in its lowest form. I cant use the term culture to describe a guy speaking in broken slang and wearing his pants off his ass. No doubt character is a matter of pride and at the core of ones make up but when your in an environment where that is clearly the minority its overshadowed in group think. It may not be submitting for some so much as tolerating it and existing within. Like the projects. Those same intelligent people would bolt in an instant if they could. Ive seen guys break out of the pack and you talk to them on a one on one basis and they run deep and are not just stereotypes your thought going in.

[Dark Lord Al]

the bullshit thing about all this , its not black , white , jew , muslim , its about people breaking the law, whatever you are you should be treated harshly when you riot and cost the taxpayer money.
im fucking sick of people playing the race card , or making excuses for these people who break the law.

lets start looking after the people who keep the fucking ship afloat.

[El Kabong]

You can be poor and still have class...hence the saying "You can't buy class". You can be from the projects and still be intelligent or go to Harvard and be a dope. You can go from broke to a millionaire just like you can be handed more money than you could ever hope to spend and lose every dime of it for being an idiot. No one forces this culture on people sure it's out there, but you don't HAVE to submit to it.

I just think its a disservice and broad brush to label it a 'cultural' problem. Its an ignorance problem. Not 'black' culture at all. Culture is what rises to the top and is born at roots and not what you see in its lowest form. I cant use the term culture to describe a guy speaking in broken slang and wearing his pants off his ass. No doubt character is a matter of pride and at the core of ones make up but when your in an environment where that is clearly the minority its overshadowed in group think. It may not be submitting for some so much as tolerating it and existing within. Like the projects. Those same intelligent people would bolt in an instant if they could. Ive seen guys break out of the pack and you talk to them on a one on one basis and they run deep and are not just stereotypes your thought going in.

I never said it was "black culture" I said its a "cultural problem" and the culture I'm referring to is the culture of entitlement, the people that say "Gimme, gimme, gimme", "I want, I deserve", and yet offer no skills, no intelligence, and no positives to society. They are the leeches draining us dry off of food stamps, welfare, the war on poverty, the war on drugs...they see the Government extend a hand and they take the whole arm! They are the people living in grungy rundown trailers and houses while their brand damn new Escalade sits in the front yard/driveway on 22's, they are the people who buy and sell drugs with food stamps, they are the people who slide under the radar when it comes time to pay taxes, these are the people whose kids waste time, money, and effort in our public schools.

If I wasn't as educated as I am and if I didn't see the nature vs nurture argument as about a 50/50 shot, I just might go along with the idea of a eugenics program...not to wipe out a racial, ethnic, religious or political group but to wipe out these parasites, they provide no good to mankind, no good at all.