Fair or Not? Family gets evicted from council home because son was a rioter

[0james0]

For every action there needs to be a reaction. The kid already had a load of ASBO's and the mum had been warned to control him. But at 18 he should get punished alone and be a man.

It's fair if they do it to all the others, not fair if this is the only one. Now there is a precedence set, it'll be interesting to see if they stick to it.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Having said that I think strong parenting would clearly help. But in somewhere as damaged as the UK, you need toughening up everywhere. Schools, communities, policing, everything. A strong mother alone is not going to be all that effective when it comes to a society like Britain. I'm actually quite conservative on this issue, I am not particularly liberal or namby pamby at all. But I do believe it is common sense to look at things from all points of view and clean things up from top to bottom.

Lack of good parenting is just one of the concerns, but cultural mindset is another. Western societies like the UK and America are missing good parenting in the household and are lionizing and embracing destructive cultural mindsets. Such as rock, rap, being a bad boy, lack of emphasis on education, lack of respect for authority and elders, etc.

I did type in the other thread that I found a quote from someone in the online news section that the counter culture revolution of the '60s and their rejection of the social mores and values of the prior generation also contributed to a decaying society. I haven't looked into it yet by searching for studies. But this would make sense since the '60s was about, "Fuck the man, fuck authority, fight the power, free love, etc." Looking back it was a decade of decadence and debauchery, from illicit drug use to open sex, etc. Not to mention in America the Hayes code for movies was lifted, meaning that they can show more explicit sex scenes and violence on television and movies. You can say the 60s really changed and shifted the conservative nature of societies like America and the UK into a radically different place. And maybe what we see today is a result of discarding many of the conservative social mores beginning in the 60s about behavior and respect.

I don't see how any of those changes were bad.

If a million people listen to a rap/rock song and one is inspired to murder because of it. He's a mental. Fact. The music/film/art isn't the problem.

You're wrong. Fact.

Social factors play a series part in behaviour. The problem if you want to call it that is that there are many factors at work and not all will have the same impact as others.



Sun, sea and shrinking brain power - Telegraph


For men, this loss of intelligence may well be exacerbated by the vision of the opposite sex in bikinis. A 2008 study for The Journal of Consumer Research concluded that merely looking at women in beach garb “instigates generalised impatience in intertemporal choice”.
In layman’s terms, men’s judgment and self-critical faculties are compromised, and, in worst-case scenarios, they will propose to (or proposition) the first girl who winks at them.

Childhood Exposure To Media Violence Predicts Young Adult Aggressive Behavior, According To A New 15-Year Study

[mattboxingfan]

Shoot him.

[Fenster]

Having said that I think strong parenting would clearly help. But in somewhere as damaged as the UK, you need toughening up everywhere. Schools, communities, policing, everything. A strong mother alone is not going to be all that effective when it comes to a society like Britain. I'm actually quite conservative on this issue, I am not particularly liberal or namby pamby at all. But I do believe it is common sense to look at things from all points of view and clean things up from top to bottom.

Lack of good parenting is just one of the concerns, but cultural mindset is another. Western societies like the UK and America are missing good parenting in the household and are lionizing and embracing destructive cultural mindsets. Such as rock, rap, being a bad boy, lack of emphasis on education, lack of respect for authority and elders, etc.

I did type in the other thread that I found a quote from someone in the online news section that the counter culture revolution of the '60s and their rejection of the social mores and values of the prior generation also contributed to a decaying society. I haven't looked into it yet by searching for studies. But this would make sense since the '60s was about, "Fuck the man, fuck authority, fight the power, free love, etc." Looking back it was a decade of decadence and debauchery, from illicit drug use to open sex, etc. Not to mention in America the Hayes code for movies was lifted, meaning that they can show more explicit sex scenes and violence on television and movies. You can say the 60s really changed and shifted the conservative nature of societies like America and the UK into a radically different place. And maybe what we see today is a result of discarding many of the conservative social mores beginning in the 60s about behavior and respect.

I don't see how any of those changes were bad.

If a million people listen to a rap/rock song and one is inspired to murder because of it. He's a mental. Fact. The music/film/art isn't the problem.

You're wrong. Fact.

Social factors play a series part in behaviour. The problem if you want to call it that is that there are many factors at work and not all will have the same impact as others.



Sun, sea and shrinking brain power - Telegraph


For men, this loss of intelligence may well be exacerbated by the vision of the opposite sex in bikinis. A 2008 study for The Journal of Consumer Research concluded that merely looking at women in beach garb “instigates generalised impatience in intertemporal choice”.
In layman’s terms, men’s judgment and self-critical faculties are compromised, and, in worst-case scenarios, they will propose to (or proposition) the first girl who winks at them.

Childhood Exposure To Media Violence Predicts Young Adult Aggressive Behavior, According To A New 15-Year Study

Hilarious.

By observing 300 kids out of a world population of 6 billion, they've proved Starsky & Hutch fans are prone to driving offences and shoving.

Brilliant.

[Ghost]

i know what you are saying but times have changed. The playstation generation and internet age is upon us and it dominates their lives.

Was football on park in my day - matahces that lasted six hours with breaks for lunch and tea.

And to be honest I bet you would ask many a parent now who would say they would rather have their kids inside on a playstation than outside and not worrying what they were up to or if they were ok etc..

Different times

I was born in '81. And the first playstation came out in '94 and the internet really became popular in America around 1996 (when I was 15) with America Online for the dial up. I had all that. And so did a lot of kids in my neighborhood, you can say it was a well off neighborhood financially. But one thing about this community was that parents were pro-active in their children's lives. My high school is considered to be one of the best public high schools in the nations that yearly has kids getting accepted into America's best universities like Harvard, Yale, MIT, Caltech, UCLA and other schools on their academic merits. This community has produced educated and well rounded individuals. So what was it? I say the parenting was the catalyst.

My last child was born in '80 and CompuServe was better AOL by far.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Having said that I think strong parenting would clearly help. But in somewhere as damaged as the UK, you need toughening up everywhere. Schools, communities, policing, everything. A strong mother alone is not going to be all that effective when it comes to a society like Britain. I'm actually quite conservative on this issue, I am not particularly liberal or namby pamby at all. But I do believe it is common sense to look at things from all points of view and clean things up from top to bottom.

Lack of good parenting is just one of the concerns, but cultural mindset is another. Western societies like the UK and America are missing good parenting in the household and are lionizing and embracing destructive cultural mindsets. Such as rock, rap, being a bad boy, lack of emphasis on education, lack of respect for authority and elders, etc.

I did type in the other thread that I found a quote from someone in the online news section that the counter culture revolution of the '60s and their rejection of the social mores and values of the prior generation also contributed to a decaying society. I haven't looked into it yet by searching for studies. But this would make sense since the '60s was about, "Fuck the man, fuck authority, fight the power, free love, etc." Looking back it was a decade of decadence and debauchery, from illicit drug use to open sex, etc. Not to mention in America the Hayes code for movies was lifted, meaning that they can show more explicit sex scenes and violence on television and movies. You can say the 60s really changed and shifted the conservative nature of societies like America and the UK into a radically different place. And maybe what we see today is a result of discarding many of the conservative social mores beginning in the 60s about behavior and respect.

I don't see how any of those changes were bad.

If a million people listen to a rap/rock song and one is inspired to murder because of it. He's a mental. Fact. The music/film/art isn't the problem.

You're wrong. Fact.

Social factors play a series part in behaviour. The problem if you want to call it that is that there are many factors at work and not all will have the same impact as others.



Sun, sea and shrinking brain power - Telegraph


For men, this loss of intelligence may well be exacerbated by the vision of the opposite sex in bikinis. A 2008 study for The Journal of Consumer Research concluded that merely looking at women in beach garb “instigates generalised impatience in intertemporal choice”.
In layman’s terms, men’s judgment and self-critical faculties are compromised, and, in worst-case scenarios, they will propose to (or proposition) the first girl who winks at them.

Childhood Exposure To Media Violence Predicts Young Adult Aggressive Behavior, According To A New 15-Year Study

Hilarious.

By observing 300 kids out of a world population of 6 billion, they've proved Starsky & Hutch fans are prone to driving offences and shoving.

Brilliant.

If they studied only 1 child their evidence would still be stronger than anything you produce.

[Ghost]

I also think that it's too easy to just blame the parents for what is obviously a very complex social problem. Did parenting or home-life play a role in many cases? Most likely, but it can't be the only reason for the rioting. You can be raised in a perfect fashion, but if you can't find work or are being oppressed etc. you might act out with violence if tens of thousands of your peers are doing so.

Peer pressure huh? Sorry but if tens of thousands of people my age were killing themselves, would not make me follow along to the grave.

Excuses are like assholes, Everyone has one and they use them often.

[Fenster]

Having said that I think strong parenting would clearly help. But in somewhere as damaged as the UK, you need toughening up everywhere. Schools, communities, policing, everything. A strong mother alone is not going to be all that effective when it comes to a society like Britain. I'm actually quite conservative on this issue, I am not particularly liberal or namby pamby at all. But I do believe it is common sense to look at things from all points of view and clean things up from top to bottom.

Lack of good parenting is just one of the concerns, but cultural mindset is another. Western societies like the UK and America are missing good parenting in the household and are lionizing and embracing destructive cultural mindsets. Such as rock, rap, being a bad boy, lack of emphasis on education, lack of respect for authority and elders, etc.

I did type in the other thread that I found a quote from someone in the online news section that the counter culture revolution of the '60s and their rejection of the social mores and values of the prior generation also contributed to a decaying society. I haven't looked into it yet by searching for studies. But this would make sense since the '60s was about, "Fuck the man, fuck authority, fight the power, free love, etc." Looking back it was a decade of decadence and debauchery, from illicit drug use to open sex, etc. Not to mention in America the Hayes code for movies was lifted, meaning that they can show more explicit sex scenes and violence on television and movies. You can say the 60s really changed and shifted the conservative nature of societies like America and the UK into a radically different place. And maybe what we see today is a result of discarding many of the conservative social mores beginning in the 60s about behavior and respect.

I don't see how any of those changes were bad.

If a million people listen to a rap/rock song and one is inspired to murder because of it. He's a mental. Fact. The music/film/art isn't the problem.

You're wrong. Fact.

Social factors play a series part in behaviour. The problem if you want to call it that is that there are many factors at work and not all will have the same impact as others.



Sun, sea and shrinking brain power - Telegraph


For men, this loss of intelligence may well be exacerbated by the vision of the opposite sex in bikinis. A 2008 study for The Journal of Consumer Research concluded that merely looking at women in beach garb “instigates generalised impatience in intertemporal choice”.
In layman’s terms, men’s judgment and self-critical faculties are compromised, and, in worst-case scenarios, they will propose to (or proposition) the first girl who winks at them.

Childhood Exposure To Media Violence Predicts Young Adult Aggressive Behavior, According To A New 15-Year Study

Hilarious.

By observing 300 kids out of a world population of 6 billion, they've proved Starsky & Hutch fans are prone to driving offences and shoving.

Brilliant.

If they studied only 1 child their evidence would still be stronger than anything you produce.

That's true.

Actually.. no it's not.

I've lived around more than 300 people in my life. My observations have led me to confidently conclude that mental cunts come in all colours, shapes and sizes regardless of background or influences.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

[QUOTE=Fenster;1002818]

Having said that I think strong parenting would clearly help. But in somewhere as damaged as the UK, you need toughening up everywhere. Schools, communities, policing, everything. A strong mother alone is not going to be all that effective when it comes to a society like Britain. I'm actually quite conservative on this issue, I am not particularly liberal or namby pamby at all. But I do believe it is common sense to look at things from all points of view and clean things up from top to bottom.

Lack of good parenting is just one of the concerns, but cultural mindset is another. Western societies like the UK and America are missing good parenting in the household and are lionizing and embracing destructive cultural mindsets. Such as rock, rap, being a bad boy, lack of emphasis on education, lack of respect for authority and elders, etc.

I did type in the other thread that I found a quote from someone in the online news section that the counter culture revolution of the '60s and their rejection of the social mores and values of the prior generation also contributed to a decaying society. I haven't looked into it yet by searching for studies. But this would make sense since the '60s was about, "Fuck the man, fuck authority, fight the power, free love, etc." Looking back it was a decade of decadence and debauchery, from illicit drug use to open sex, etc. Not to mention in America the Hayes code for movies was lifted, meaning that they can show more explicit sex scenes and violence on television and movies. You can say the 60s really changed and shifted the conservative nature of societies like America and the UK into a radically different place. And maybe what we see today is a result of discarding many of the conservative social mores beginning in the 60s about behavior and respect.

I don't see how any of those changes were bad.

If a million people listen to a rap/rock song and one is inspired to murder because of it. He's a mental. Fact. The music/film/art isn't the problem.

You're wrong. Fact.

Social factors play a series part in behaviour. The problem if you want to call it that is that there are many factors at work and not all will have the same impact as others.



Sun, sea and shrinking brain power - Telegraph


For men, this loss of intelligence may well be exacerbated by the vision of the opposite sex in bikinis. A 2008 study for The Journal of Consumer Research concluded that merely looking at women in beach garb “instigates generalised impatience in intertemporal choice”.
In layman’s terms, men’s judgment and self-critical faculties are compromised, and, in worst-case scenarios, they will propose to (or proposition) the first girl who winks at them.

Childhood Exposure To Media Violence Predicts Young Adult Aggressive Behavior, According To A New 15-Year Study

Hilarious.

By observing 300 kids out of a world population of 6 billion, they've proved Starsky & Hutch fans are prone to driving offences and shoving.

Brilliant.

If they studied only 1 child their evidence would still be stronger than anything you produce.

That's true.

Actually.. no it's not.

I've lived around more than 300 people in my life. My observations have led me to confidently conclude that mental cunts come in all colours, shapes and sizes regardless of background or influences.[/QUOTE]

very scientific.


coloured by your own, experiences, upbringing, prejudices etc...

[Fenster]

[QUOTE=Howlin Mad Missy;1002826]

Having said that I think strong parenting would clearly help. But in somewhere as damaged as the UK, you need toughening up everywhere. Schools, communities, policing, everything. A strong mother alone is not going to be all that effective when it comes to a society like Britain. I'm actually quite conservative on this issue, I am not particularly liberal or namby pamby at all. But I do believe it is common sense to look at things from all points of view and clean things up from top to bottom.

Lack of good parenting is just one of the concerns, but cultural mindset is another. Western societies like the UK and America are missing good parenting in the household and are lionizing and embracing destructive cultural mindsets. Such as rock, rap, being a bad boy, lack of emphasis on education, lack of respect for authority and elders, etc.

I did type in the other thread that I found a quote from someone in the online news section that the counter culture revolution of the '60s and their rejection of the social mores and values of the prior generation also contributed to a decaying society. I haven't looked into it yet by searching for studies. But this would make sense since the '60s was about, "Fuck the man, fuck authority, fight the power, free love, etc." Looking back it was a decade of decadence and debauchery, from illicit drug use to open sex, etc. Not to mention in America the Hayes code for movies was lifted, meaning that they can show more explicit sex scenes and violence on television and movies. You can say the 60s really changed and shifted the conservative nature of societies like America and the UK into a radically different place. And maybe what we see today is a result of discarding many of the conservative social mores beginning in the 60s about behavior and respect.

I don't see how any of those changes were bad.

If a million people listen to a rap/rock song and one is inspired to murder because of it. He's a mental. Fact. The music/film/art isn't the problem.

You're wrong. Fact.

Social factors play a series part in behaviour. The problem if you want to call it that is that there are many factors at work and not all will have the same impact as others.



Sun, sea and shrinking brain power - Telegraph


For men, this loss of intelligence may well be exacerbated by the vision of the opposite sex in bikinis. A 2008 study for The Journal of Consumer Research concluded that merely looking at women in beach garb “instigates generalised impatience in intertemporal choice”.
In layman’s terms, men’s judgment and self-critical faculties are compromised, and, in worst-case scenarios, they will propose to (or proposition) the first girl who winks at them.

Childhood Exposure To Media Violence Predicts Young Adult Aggressive Behavior, According To A New 15-Year Study

Hilarious.

By observing 300 kids out of a world population of 6 billion, they've proved Starsky & Hutch fans are prone to driving offences and shoving.

Brilliant.

If they studied only 1 child their evidence would still be stronger than anything you produce.

That's true.

Actually.. no it's not.

I've lived around more than 300 people in my life. My observations have led me to confidently conclude that mental cunts come in all colours, shapes and sizes regardless of background or influences.[/QUOTE]

very scientific.


coloured by your own, experiences, upbringing, prejudices etc...

I guess so. I'm not a scientist.

To be honest... I'm a little drunk so can't really grasp the point of this?

[Saddo]

Quick search reveals she owes £2000 in rent

and they refused six new playstations, as a down payment?

hahahahahahahahaha

[CFH]

I also think that it's too easy to just blame the parents for what is obviously a very complex social problem. Did parenting or home-life play a role in many cases? Most likely, but it can't be the only reason for the rioting. You can be raised in a perfect fashion, but if you can't find work or are being oppressed etc. you might act out with violence if tens of thousands of your peers are doing so.

Peer pressure huh? Sorry but if tens of thousands of people my age were killing themselves, would not make me follow along to the grave.

Excuses are like assholes, Everyone has one and they use them often.

I'm not excusing their actions and I don't really understand it, but mob-mentality is a very real thing.

Here in Vancouver, thousands of otherwise law-abiding young people decided to destroy their own city after a hockey game. A huge number of them simply could not explain their actions, and said they just got caught up in what was going on. It's something that is corroborated by social scientists and psychologists and I'm inclined to believe them.

It doesn't excuse people for doing what they did, but it does help to explain it.

[Dark Lord Al]

To be honest it is fair , and i would evict anyone who has kids when they cant pay for there up keep.
Tell me why as a taxpayer its my problem to house - feed and clothe these boils on the ass of humanity ?
As far as im concerned throw the lot of them out on the street, give house holders the right to defend their property and if they come to rob you , then we can shoot them.Give more power to the police , and stop the soft justice system , throw out the human rights bill. Lets get this country back on the rails , and lets all put a stop to the people who are bringing us down.
Work houses - labour camps -and public stocks , bring them all back .

The End.

[boozeboxer]

Missy is the only cunt in this thread.

[chinchekked]

Just my opinion......no! It is not fair to evict this woman based on her son's actions. But to digress a bit I was raised in a single parent home in a rough neighborhood but I didn't do simple crap like this nor was I a gangbanger or on the corners being a d-boy. A lot of my childhood friends went down the wrong path in life and the difference between myself and them was the parenting I received. My mother didn't mess around. I feared my mother from a disciplinary perspective and also from a love POV because I didn't want to let her down. There is no miracle answer but good parenting can overcome an abundance of obstacles. My mother is great and her discipline kept me in line but her LOVE is what drove me to not be a fuck up and make something of myself. I still respect my mother to the utmost but that is something you don't find much anymore. Parents are becoming lazy and content on letting tv and the school system raise their children