Strength Training

[nikola_ganchev]

Is there a way to incorporate this in barbel training?

[Scrap]

Have not come across anything safe as regarding it Nikola. Ive been the route of I call the weight thing for Strength. I found it unsuccesfull as regards sporting motion, movement if you like. I think there are better ways to spend time on sports strength and conditioning. Funny talking to a guy, the conditioning guy today who is the Strength and conditioning man , for one of the major Football clubs in England. He told me they had got rid of all there weight machines, stopped using them because of the same reason. Things seem to be changing, there seems to have grown out of the 60s, where people selling the machines with the hard sell that their machines will make men Supermen by using their product a fact, but the bottom line was it was all Bollocks . Theres an old saying, train smart, Ive found you have not got to be smart to use Machines. Plus it wont make the Body smart.

[WayneFlint]

These damn forums, just written a long post but i wiped it off before i posted it lol, oh well. This is an interesting topic and quite a funny coincidence as recently ive been thinking of more ways to possibly activate the TFL with some old school movements and as little equipment as possible because im limited with what i have down here as you know ive been looking at tweaking and reworking the basic movements of the sissy squat with help of some elastic here and there but im not sure if it'll activate the TFL as good as some of the stuff you showed me that im currently doing, however i need more variation to switch things up a bit, was thinking of coming down next friday so well talk about it then if your not busy

[Scrap]

Taking it a step further, the Bodys Electric Magnetic Field with its pathways intigrating Feel is a Big player, I feel in the problem with weights. I would like Andres take on this, as He is the residant expert on these matters, as regards Heart, Brain connections.

[WayneFlint]

I too would like to hear what andre thinks on this one, it has always seemed to me just a bit too simple to assume that lifting weights could carry over to combat functional strength, perhaps im wrong. The added weight as a result from that type of training may be useful in some forms of combat but it also has its costs, i feel apart from that the benefits of an old fashioned weight lifting regime remain to be seen.

it seems to me that the human body just isnt that simple at all, the 'enviroments' that we create to put our bodys through during training just arent that simple, nor are the adaptions our bodys make to evolve to that enviroment. If it was all that simple i believe we just couldnt be here today.

Fighting is such a large combination of seperate skills, there could be countless amounts of seperate skills required during fighting who knows, i personally believe even science now just cant explain them all yet. to think that you can ignore this fact and hit the gym 2 times a week with such a primative regime and have the time youve spent doing that being one of the most functional things you could have done with that time to supplement your boxing training as a fighter then i think youve just got it all wrong. But then again thats just my opinion, upset people as it may.

[Andre]

Sorry I really dont know what to think in regards to how to fuse everything together.

But lineal training and lineal thoughts along lineal timelines are not the real way. They are a way to reach a point along a line.

Fact is sub atomically and atomically we are made of only spheres and these spheres all spin as does the world as does the galaxy. If they cease to spin you are sick if they spin the opposite way other things are being allowed to occur and its only you who are allowing it, no one else.
I think if you can get 100% emotionally involved in what you are doing before you mentally then physically do it,you will get closer to having all your systems free fire ing.
In martial arts many strive for physical perfection as many other humans do in all sorts of pursuits, but once its achieved,you hit a wall and its very sickening until the real lesson of stripping it all back to bare bones begins and you search behind what created the art and are back into raw feelings thought and words. There is only electric energies and magnetic energies nothing else. If you aim for something only up one route then eventually you have to balance it out with the opposite, or hit the wall.
In all honesty if you lose the love for what you do and what you have accomplished, you lose the love you have for yourself and maybe for others too if you allow it to go on.

I think its impossible to teach anyone a set path in complete balance or harmony, because they have to want to walk it themselves in order to find their own balance.

But the people who love with all their heart what they do, do it with much less effort and its that heart-mind link that creates the counter balancing spin that gives us a natural; and they love themselves (in a non ego way) because they are what they do so its self generating.

A different exercise is to hold your arms out and spin like a twirling dervish they generally go clockwise, quite fast, then stop and hold your ground as the world flys around you. 21 spins maximum.3 times a day maximum. Eventually once your system balances out and your centers are up to speed its easy. Quite sickening to start with though.
I like anti clockwise these days but im weird,as you well know.

[Andre]

Maybe the question is: "How can we help people love what they are doing so that their hearts minds and bodies link as one and fire unobstructed?"

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Sorry I really dont know what to think in regards to how to fuse everything together.

But lineal training and lineal thoughts along lineal timelines are not the real way. They are a way to reach a point along a line.

Fact is sub atomically and atomically we are made of only spheres and these spheres all spin as does the world as does the galaxy. If they cease to spin you are sick if they spin the opposite way other things are being allowed to occur and its only you who are allowing it, no one else.
I think if you can get 100% emotionally involved in what you are doing before you mentally then physically do it,you will get closer to having all your systems free fire ing.
In martial arts many strive for physical perfection as many other humans do in all sorts of pursuits, but once its achieved,you hit a wall and its very sickening until the real lesson of stripping it all back to bare bones begins and you search behind what created the art and are back into raw feelings thought and words. There is only electric energies and magnetic energies nothing else. If you aim for something only up one route then eventually you have to balance it out with the opposite, or hit the wall.
In all honesty if you lose the love for what you do and what you have accomplished, you lose the love you have for yourself and maybe for others too if you allow it to go on.

I think its impossible to teach anyone a set path in complete balance or harmony, because they have to want to walk it themselves in order to find their own balance.

But the people who love with all their heart what they do, do it with much less effort and its that heart-mind link that creates the counter balancing spin that gives us a natural; and they love themselves (in a non ego way) because they are what they do so its self generating.

A different exercise is to hold your arms out and spin like a twirling dervish they generally go clockwise, quite fast, then stop and hold your ground as the world flys around you. 21 spins maximum.3 times a day maximum. Eventually once your system balances out and your centers are up to speed its easy. Quite sickening to start with though.
I like anti clockwise these days but im weird,as you well know.

done that as part of kundalini yoga.

also done this for several minutes you done feel kinda groovey afterwards

[Gray Lion]

I'm not opposed to any form of strength traiining as long as you are gaining benefit. But one old method of strength training for boxers use to be pushing cars (naturally with someone behind the wheel and the gear in neutral. You build, arms, back, legs, hands...trust me..when you start going up slopes and hills--its a killer, There were usually two or three of us to each car. This was in addition to the other exercises. Made a big difference when you got in a ring and some bigger guy was trying to push you into a corner or the ropes.

[mertlich11]

Scrap, I read where you attach elastic to the lead arm and rear foot for'some drills. Do these type of drills constitute most of your strength and conditioning workouts for combat athletes?

[Scrap]

I work on the concept of Feel, thats the only thing the CNC understands or adapts too. If the Feel is wrong so is the action that follows. Something Ive said before. Which has the Better response from the CNC the Slap or the Tickle, understand that you are Half way there. Plus the younger you are getting it right everything in your concuoisness adapts. Dont mend Men Make a Better Boy.

[Scrap]

Just got up that should read CNS Central Nervous System, another Day

[mertlich11]

Do you find the same thing with injury prevention? It seems like some guys just plow ahead in training withhout "listening" to their intuition. What have you discovered in this area? With conditioning it's a tough road. Thanks so much for your knowledge.

[Scrap]

Ive found over the years, that Body maintainance is the single most important thing there is. Stops compensation of other areas and joints, gives better posture, to the Head for Balance. Gives the Body Stability in its Biomechanics and adaptability and a progression to Do. Giving you less chance of becoming injured.

[Gray Lion]

This is a never ending debate. One of the coaches where I work discourages any weight training. He says it makes the fighters muscles in the arms and shoulders stiffer and limits movement. He also says "If your weight training...your not concentrating on fighting skills". I do agree with him to a certain point. But I see to many students come in, and when they get on the heavy bag, and I am holding, their punches are like marshmellows.
I'm from the old school. I believe the best strength training comes from free weights, bar bells and kettle balls. Without writing a book, I qualify that by saying, it should be done not to put on great muscle mass (unless you are a heavy weight pro traiining 10-12 hours a day), and you need to set yourself a program working only certain muscle groups for 30-40 minutes, divide the groups into three days a week and take the weekend off. Low weights and high reps and sets will bring amazing strength results. All of this is IN ADDITION to boxing training and cardio workouts. Your Diet will be a big concern with this added training, along with your weight, and possible fatigue. You just have to figure out what works for you. Thats why we use to push cars, carry buckets of water up and down stairs with our arms up and curled, beat tires with sledge hammers, and work out with weights....it built strength.