Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

[BoxingGorilla]

I voted Ortiz. Pac has already faced Marquez and knows what is getting himself into.

[Rantcatrat]

I voted Ortiz. Pac has already faced Marquez and knows what is getting himself into.

I'll eat crow if Ortiz presents Mayweather with any sort of problem and if Marquez doesn't cause any problems for Pacquiao.

Truthfully, I believe there is confusion between Ortiz being the best opponent at 147 for Mayweather other than Pacquiao and Ortiz actually being a tough fight for Mayweather. The two are not the same. Similarly, I believe there is confusion with the Marquez fight happening at 147, not 140 or 135, and, thus, Marquez won't be able to match up with Pacquiao effectively. People are angry that the fight is happening at all because they want Pacquiao to fight Mayweather with the tests and/or because they view Marquez as passed it and isn't suited to the weight class. Some of that sentiment is warranted, but it shouldn't be confused with the fact that Marquez will still be a tough outing for Pacquiao just look at the empirical evidence.

[Rantcatrat]

Teddy Atlas agrees with me although I'm not sure if that is good for my point.

[Pugilistic]

Teddy Atlas agrees with me although I'm not sure if that is good for my point.

I get what your getting at now.

When i voted for Ortiz, it was based on his credentials compared to Marquez's at 147 which he clearly wins at the moment.

Based on style matchups though, Marquez is easily the tougher opponent for Pacquiao than Ortiz is for Mayweather.

What might affect Marquez is the weight. We still don't know how good he can be at 147.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Teddy Atlas agrees with me although I'm not sure if that is good for my point.

You still find Teddy Atlas reliable Where are those emails that he claimed existed? I don't give credibility to any word he says after that ...... and to think that I have the same sentiment as his with regards to the title question.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Marquez will be tougher. His age can be looked at in another way as experience. Like what I wrote in another thread, if we are not to include what a number of people consider as his controversial loses (to Pacquiao and Chris John), then he hasn't lost to anyone not named Mayweather since 1999. And all his wins by decision in the past 10 years hasn't even been close.

Ortiz' young age, on the other hand, can be considered as inexperience. That showed in his recklessness when he fought Berto whereby he was dropped a couple of times. The smart PBF will take advantage of this.

[mikeeod]

Marquez is by far the more skilled, and I would say mentally tougher of the two, while Ortiz is younger/fresher, bigger, and stronger than JMM. Styles make fights, and for me I would say that for Manny, JMM is tougher and for Floyd, Ortiz is tougher. JMM has a great chin, is a crafty counter puncher, and "gets up" for Manny, meaning he fights at his best against Manny (kinda like Barrera did against Morales, Bowe against Holyfield, Holy against Tyson...etc.). Floyd is a slightly larger, faster, and slicker version of JMM, and this made Floyd's fight with him a blowout. Floyd doesn't have Manny's punch or all out offense, so it will take him longer to get Ortiz out of there than it would for Manny, since Ortiz would get caught and overwhelmed against a whirlwind like Manny. So just to clear it up, Ortiz is the easier fight for Manny, and JMM is the easier fight for Floyd.

[Spicoli]

Occasionally I can avoid the circles. On this its simple and screw the weights

Marquez is Marquez and Ortiz is not. JMM knows tough campaigns and Ortiz strikes me as more spirited willing novice compared.