2012 Election

[VictorCharlie]

Killer,

Yes Paul would gut the federal gov't if he could, but all those services would be picked up by the states...kind of like the Constitution says they are supposed to. We would be a much less contentious country if individual state governors and legislators were having an honest conversation with their constituents about the services they want how much taxes they were willing to pay for them. If you think about the federal govt only exercising the powers enumerated by the Constitution for them the federal income tax would probably not even be necessary. Good Bye IRS!!!

[El Kabong]

Nameless the whole "The US had a great image worldwide" is crap. Bill Clinton had a wag the dog war in Bosnia, he took us to Somalia, and there was this teeny tiny little incident with China (you know bombing their embassy) AND the World Trade Center was bombed, and a few embassies of ours were bombed, and USS Cole was attacked. So it ain't like we were walking on rose pedals during the Clinton years plus we had the Oklahoma City bombing and Waco so its not like 100% Americans loved Clinton either.

But W gets a bad rap, and why is that? Because he's a Republican.

[VictorCharlie]

The great thing about Clinton is if you look at a lot of the legislation he signed he could have been a great Republican Seriously though Presidents all to often get too much credit for the good times and too much blame for the bad. That being said going to Iraq can pretty much be squarley put on W's shoulders. Slick Willy like most successful Presidents was simply lucky. His presidency happened concurrent with an economic boom and he didn't step on his dick in the foreign policy arena. Until we get a president/senate/legislature that will willingly give away some powers of the Federal gov't and cap spending we will keep chargin up the credit card until the whole damn country gets re-possessed.

[CFH]

The great thing about Clinton is if you look at a lot of the legislation he signed he could have been a great Republican Seriously though Presidents all to often get too much credit for the good times and too much blame for the bad. That being said going to Iraq can pretty much be squarley put on W's shoulders. Slick Willy like most successful Presidents was simply lucky. His presidency happened concurrent with an economic boom and he didn't step on his dick in the foreign policy arena. Until we get a president/senate/legislature that will willingly give away some powers of the Federal gov't and cap spending we will keep chargin up the credit card until the whole damn country gets re-possessed.

CLinton essentially turned into a kind of Republican once he failed to pass healthcare legislation and the Dems got slaughtered in the mid-term elections.

[Master]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

[El Kabong]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

...Yup, its worked wonders in Europe hasn't it

[Master]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

...Yup, its worked wonders in Europe hasn't it

that was not communism but state capitalism.

[El Kabong]

Speaking of liberals and commies:

Al Gore has compared people who question Man Made Global Warming to Racists.....yes that's right, racists

"There came a time when people said, 'Hey man, why do you talk that way? That's wrong, I don't go for that so don't talk that way around me. I just don't believe that.' That happened in millions of conversations, and slowly the conversation was won. And we still have racism, God knows, but its so different now and so much better. And we have to win the conversation on climate." (From slate.com)

And the UK Guardian has an article by Ian Sample titled: "Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilizations, say scientists"

And Paul Krugman has suggested that the US needs an alien invasion threat to get the economy back on track....yes for serious.

........WOW, just wow....how fucking dumb must you be to believe that shit?

[killersheep]

Killer,

Yes Paul would gut the federal gov't if he could, but all those services would be picked up by the states...kind of like the Constitution says they are supposed to. We would be a much less contentious country if individual state governors and legislators were having an honest conversation with their constituents about the services they want how much taxes they were willing to pay for them. If you think about the federal govt only exercising the powers enumerated by the Constitution for them the federal income tax would probably not even be necessary. Good Bye IRS!!!

Just got back from vacation, the one problem with the states picking up the programs is drum roll please............most are broke already and need a balanced budget (where as the federal government doesn't need a balanced budget) How does a state fund itself when unemployment gets up to 20% in some areas, do we just use the libertarian argument that "oh well to have winners we must have losers" and let states fail?

[VictorCharlie]

Yes, our state governments are just as inept as the Fed when it comes to fiscal responsibilities. Some states have a spending problem, some have a revenue issue and some have both. But considering that they cannot perpetually run a deficit and tend to be more responsive to their constituients eventually state govts will have to have an honest conversation with the voters about what programs they want, what they actually cost and what the voters are willing to pay in taxes. In regards to financial hard times: you, me and every other responsible poster on this site set aside money in savings from every paycheck to deal with unforseen costs. Its time both our federal and state govt's started doing the same. Lastly, yes I expect government at all levels and the individual person to accept more accountability which will lead to some winners and losers. American's have in the past done a pretty good job of taking care of themselves and others. When the gov't stops being such a nanny state I am confident that American's will for the most part meet whatever bar is necessary.

[killersheep]

Yes, our state governments are just as inept as the Fed when it comes to fiscal responsibilities. Some states have a spending problem, some have a revenue issue and some have both. But considering that they cannot perpetually run a deficit and tend to be more responsive to their constituients eventually state govts will have to have an honest conversation with the voters about what programs they want, what they actually cost and what the voters are willing to pay in taxes. In regards to financial hard times: you, me and every other responsible poster on this site set aside money in savings from every paycheck to deal with unforseen costs. Its time both our federal and state govt's started doing the same. Lastly, yes I expect government at all levels and the individual person to accept more accountability which will lead to some winners and losers. American's have in the past done a pretty good job of taking care of themselves and others. When the gov't stops being such a nanny state I am confident that American's will for the most part meet whatever bar is necessary.

Can you please have a discussion with the Arizona legislature? Or slap them, that would be great.
The aren't responding to my calls.

Things are different now than they used to be, we don't need as many laborers as we did in the past to produce goods equal to the needs/wants of our society. Put simply we don't need as many people as we used to. Meaning going forward fewer people will have jobs at all.

What we need is for everyone to get some kind of lesson in how to budget, this whole overly extended credit situation is a problem from individual to the federal government and everywhere in between. If credit is to be used as part of this game of global capitalism, the rules should at least be understood.