2012 Election

[CFH]

The great thing about Clinton is if you look at a lot of the legislation he signed he could have been a great Republican Seriously though Presidents all to often get too much credit for the good times and too much blame for the bad. That being said going to Iraq can pretty much be squarley put on W's shoulders. Slick Willy like most successful Presidents was simply lucky. His presidency happened concurrent with an economic boom and he didn't step on his dick in the foreign policy arena. Until we get a president/senate/legislature that will willingly give away some powers of the Federal gov't and cap spending we will keep chargin up the credit card until the whole damn country gets re-possessed.

CLinton essentially turned into a kind of Republican once he failed to pass healthcare legislation and the Dems got slaughtered in the mid-term elections.

[Master]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

[El Kabong]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

...Yup, its worked wonders in Europe hasn't it

[Master]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

...Yup, its worked wonders in Europe hasn't it

that was not communism but state capitalism.

[El Kabong]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

...Yup, its worked wonders in Europe hasn't it

that was not communism but state capitalism.

Sure it was....then feel free to explain the USSR

Greece wasn't a bastion of capitalism, it was socialist. Hell the problem with the EU is that the overwhelming majority of countries didn't belong in it to begin with! Italy has 0 business in it!

[armin]

Hope the Liberals win, if not them the communist.

...Yup, its worked wonders in Europe hasn't it

that was not communism but state capitalism.

Sure it was....then feel free to explain the USSR

Greece wasn't a bastion of capitalism, it was socialist. Hell the problem with the EU is that the overwhelming majority of countries didn't belong in it to begin with! Italy has 0 business in it!

I'm far from a supporter of communism, but if you're actually thinking of real communism the way marx and engels had thought it up, the ussr is as far from that as you can get. Marx and engels argued that communism truly could only develop and work in a country that had become highly industrialized and modern, something that the russian empire was very very far off from.