Jan Zaveck vs. Andre Berto fight thread - on HBO tonight

[Andre]

Fuck it Jan was fireing from the inside well with short hooks I was hoping to see Berto get wobbled when he went square. Hard hitting fight.

Why does everyone hate on Berto so much? Does he talk himself up or something?

[CFH]

I think people dislike Berto because he seems to be just another HBO hype-job. He seems like a nice, honest guy though. I don't mind him at all, especially compared with the other wife-beating lowlifes boxing seems to attract.

[Kev]

I think people dislike Berto because he seems to be just another HBO hype-job. He seems like a nice, honest guy though. I don't mind him at all, especially compared with the other wife-beating lowlifes boxing seems to attract.

I'm not a huge fan of his, was rooting for Ortiz against him but he's clearly an exciting fighter. I'm not sure he's really just a hype job. 147 is one of the glamour divisions of boxing and clearly Floyd aside (and now Ortiz) he's the most exciting and explosive American fighter in that weight class.

Just watchin 24/7 now. Floyd's fiance is fineeeeeeeeee.

[LukeH]

Fuck it Jan was fireing from the inside well with short hooks I was hoping to see Berto get wobbled when he went square. Hard hitting fight.

Why does everyone hate on Berto so much? Does he talk himself up or something?

I think it's hate bought on by the networks and promoters pushing him as somthing he's not.

They're to eagre to annoint people as the next superstar. It's no fault of the fighter really... when your touted as being as Mayweather or Pac's level after 2 so-so performances including a loss and tonight I think it just pisses people off and the fighter gets the backlash.

But yea... it's not really his fault hes been toutted like that and pushed to where he is right now.

[Spicoli]

I dont know him personally but he's a terribly flawd fighter who has not improved and is afforded grounds that can be walked by better more solid guys. I have zero doubt that he gets badly rattled if he is put in with the top tier and you can see that as plain as day. This night was all about getting him a strap so he can be marketed into another "mega fight" on HBO. U want exciting go pick some joe schmo off an obscure undercard who explodes even more and also swings for the fences. Berto is a guarded investment with rooted connections, but I'm sure he's a wonderful dinner guest as well.

[Kev]

I dont know him personally but he's a terribly flawd fighter who has not improved and is afforded grounds that can be walked by better more solid guys. I have zero doubt that he gets badly rattled if he is put in with the top tier and you can see that as plain as day. This night was all about getting him a strap so he can be marketed into another "mega fight" on HBO. U want exciting go pick some joe schmo off an obscure undercard who explodes even more and also swings for the fences. Berto is a guarded investment with rooted connections, but I'm sure he's a wonderful dinner guest as well.

What's the difference between him and Katsidis in that case though? Katsidis gets hit at will and has been stpped a bunch of times now yet HBO always call on him because he's exciting, and he's not even American.

There's really no conspiracy as to why Berto is on HBO. He's simply been more exciting, faster, explosive and impressively built physically than any other American fighter in and around that weight class. It would be a bizarre ommission if he hadn't been a HBO regular imo.

[Spicoli]

I dont know him personally but he's a terribly flawd fighter who has not improved and is afforded grounds that can be walked by better more solid guys. I have zero doubt that he gets badly rattled if he is put in with the top tier and you can see that as plain as day. This night was all about getting him a strap so he can be marketed into another "mega fight" on HBO. U want exciting go pick some joe schmo off an obscure undercard who explodes even more and also swings for the fences. Berto is a guarded investment with rooted connections, but I'm sure he's a wonderful dinner guest as well.

What's the difference between him and Katsidis in that case though? Katsidis gets hit at will and has been stpped a bunch of times now yet HBO always call on him because he's exciting, and he's not even American.

There's really no conspiracy as to why Berto is on HBO. He's simply been more exciting, faster, explosive and impressively built physically than any other American fighter in and around that weight class. It would be a bizarre ommission if he hadn't been a HBO regular imo.

When Kats is mentioned in the same sentence as the very best in his division people call bullshit on it. He serves to frankly make the more primary guy shine and is not sold as a legit two time next coming of the all mighty super star. For all his heart those 15 minutes expired quick on...and really Bertos natural athleticism is leagues beyond but he'll not realize it because he was rushed to market and made bigger than he was at the time.

I honestly don't think Berto is all that exciting but more of just another glossy pumped up car on the race track. Its a matter of time. His hands are NOT Meldrick taylor esqu and he does not have the legs, stamina or stubborn streak to last in all of these face first brawls we are suddenly prepared to throw him into. Memo to HBO fluffers and Max....do they remember what became of Taylor after his "exciting match" with Chavez? Whens the last time you heard Kats choke up simply talking about Haymon and HBO promotion after a fight

[Hulk]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

[#1FightFan]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

yup!!! i hate that shit!!!
I believe Zaveck was starting to come on strong, and woulda knocked berto down at least once!! he rattled berto a few good times.

[ICB]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

Wasn't his eye completely closed ?

[fan johnny]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

I think it was a good stoppage. I though he could have continued but those cuts on both eye lids would have become way worse. They already made the purse for the fight and I think he was better than Berto on the inside. The only thing that gave Berto more rounds is he was more busy but not necessary more effective. I think Zaveck should get a rematch contract or not.

[Kev]

I dont know him personally but he's a terribly flawd fighter who has not improved and is afforded grounds that can be walked by better more solid guys. I have zero doubt that he gets badly rattled if he is put in with the top tier and you can see that as plain as day. This night was all about getting him a strap so he can be marketed into another "mega fight" on HBO. U want exciting go pick some joe schmo off an obscure undercard who explodes even more and also swings for the fences. Berto is a guarded investment with rooted connections, but I'm sure he's a wonderful dinner guest as well.

What's the difference between him and Katsidis in that case though? Katsidis gets hit at will and has been stpped a bunch of times now yet HBO always call on him because he's exciting, and he's not even American.

There's really no conspiracy as to why Berto is on HBO. He's simply been more exciting, faster, explosive and impressively built physically than any other American fighter in and around that weight class. It would be a bizarre ommission if he hadn't been a HBO regular imo.

When Kats is mentioned in the same sentence as the very best in his division people call bullshit on it. He serves to frankly make the more primary guy shine and is not sold as a legit two time next coming of the all mighty super star. For all his heart those 15 minutes expired quick on...and really Bertos natural athleticism is leagues beyond but he'll not realize it because he was rushed to market and made bigger than he was at the time.

I honestly don't think Berto is all that exciting but more of just another glossy pumped up car on the race track. Its a matter of time. His hands are NOT Meldrick taylor esqu and he does not have the legs, stamina or stubborn streak to last in all of these face first brawls we are suddenly prepared to throw him into. Memo to HBO fluffers and Max....do they remember what became of Taylor after his "exciting match" with Chavez? Whens the last time you heard Kats choke up simply talking about Haymon and HBO promotion after a fight

I've never heard anyohne annoint Berto as the second coming either. To my knowledge he has never been featured in The Ring p4p top 10 so I don't know why you regard him as overatted? He is regarded as one of the very best 147 pound fighters in the world, and one of the most exciting.

I don't disagree with that at all. Floyd and Manny are not going to be around for much longer and then Berto is pretty much the best out there. He still has a bright future, despite clearly not being as good as Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Hopkins etc.

But then, few fighters are.