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I'd agree with andre ward as super middleweight champ

Bute should be in third behind Froch
Frog lost that Kessler-fight (Kessler is slow boxer) and actually in real life lost also that Dirrell-fight too. On the other hand Bute has destroyed more or less brutally all his opponents especially with horrible body punches. Let's put Frog to his own category as an bigmouth english mediahyped boxer.
Frog and Bute have these common opponents - Magee and Tatevosyan.

Bute beats Tatevosyan PTS. Frog beats him KO 2. Bute beats ancient old Magee KO 10. FRog beats prime Magee KO 11.

Bute was virtually knocked out by Andrade. "Slow" Kessler beat Andrade 12 rounds to nil without breaking sweat. Bute has never faced a fighter on Kessler's level. Let alone - Taylor, Johnson, Pascal, Abraham or even Dirrell.

Bute's opposition is pathetic compared to Frog's. Fact.
Froch has faced much better opposition than Bute and in my opinion, arguably than Ward. Fact. To say Froch is a fraud is utterly ridiculous at this point. I 100% agree with Fenster on this. Froch is a tough hombre whose skills in my opinion are underrated. Also, he's travelled far and wide to face the best competition. I thought he beat Kessler too in a close fight and if he would have fought harder the last few rounds, he would have beat Kessler. Kessler, slow? Where does that come from?

However, Bute's first fight with Andrade has been blown a little out of proportion in my opinion given that Bute avenged the questionable win by being the first person to stop him in their second fight. And for the first 10 rounds of their first fight, he was dominating it. He also dominated Sakio Bika. It wasn't close whereas Bika kept the fight with Ward close the whole time. Sakio Bika is a tough competitor.

I disagree that the Magee wins are comparable. Bute performed better against Magee all things considered. The Magee win you refer to by Froch though was a close affair up until when Froch won (96-95, 95-94, 97-92) whereas Bute dominated Magee from piller to post when they fought. I also disagree it was a post-prime Magee. In fact, there is a solid argument Magee was better when he fought Bute. He was coming off of a 10 fight winning streak with wins over durable Aramyan and Larsen (probably his best career win). When Magee fought Froch, he had just lost to Vitali Tyspko and Robin Reid.

All this said, I think Froch v. Bute is the likely fight because I think Ward beats Froch in the finals and won't travel to Montreal where the bigger money is. Froch, having lost, will be more willing to take the fight abroad for a nice check, and he's shown in the past, that he has no fear of fighting abroad.