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    Default Re: Victor Ortiz is a Phony Tough Guy at Best

    Ortiz is just a pretty mellow fellow. Sounding tough and being confident are different things. I think skill wise his chances are Mr. & Mrs. Slimandnone but when a guy is branded with a scarlet letter ala quitter they can go in opposite direction to get it off. Phoney tough guys stay in the canvas and collect checks...or blame a stubbed toe. Ortiz reclaimed some of himself last out and I think he goes out on his shield Vs Mayweather.

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    Ortiz has been terrible all through selling this fight. Not his fault.

    He's clearly starstruck and too naive/young for this type of event. After the fight he'll be getting Floyd too sign his shorts and shit.
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    Boxing, like sport generally, is becoming same kind of mediahyped cheat like BB and boxers know pretty well how to make some hype. You just need big mouth like Carl Froch and David Haye have. If you are decent "family man" like Klitschkos or Andre Ward you will be soon critized with "lack of charisma" and "boring".

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    I realize that Ortiz turned in a very good performance against Berto and he was available for a fight against Floyd and Saturday he gets his chance. He should lay off the tough talk and be himself. It takes too much energy to be what other people want. His comeback was little erratic but here's hoping the path to Berto helps him with Floyd. He focused on the task and if he play's Floyd's game he loses long before the weigh in. Floyd's absences and tantalizing the public with talks of comebacks from long layoffs to those family feuds is nothing more than free publicity and keeping him on the lips of fans constantly evoking the question,"What if?" If an elephant had wings it could fly but guess what, the rest of us would need steel umbrellas. The rest of us should forget Maidana and Peterson because Saturday it's Floyd and Ortiz. May the better man win. Ortiz like some others made a mistake and redemption if it to be is tomorrow.

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    Default Re: Victor Ortiz is a Phony Tough Guy at Best

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran View Post
    I realize that Ortiz turned in a very good performance against Berto and he was available for a fight against Floyd and Saturday he gets his chance. He should lay off the tough talk and be himself. It takes too much energy to be what other people want. His comeback was little erratic but here's hoping the path to Berto helps him with Floyd. He focused on the task and if he play's Floyd's game he loses long before the weigh in. Floyd's absences and tantalizing the public with talks of comebacks from long layoffs to those family feuds is nothing more than free publicity and keeping him on the lips of fans constantly evoking the question,"What if?" If an elephant had wings it could fly but guess what, the rest of us would need steel umbrellas. The rest of us should forget Maidana and Peterson because Saturday it's Floyd and Ortiz. May the better man win. Ortiz like some others made a mistake and redemption if it to be is tomorrow.
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    In June 2005 I spoke to Arturo Gatti and Buddy McGirt on a conference call just before his fight with Floyd. I was working for a site called rabbitpunchboxing.com and was assigned to call in at that conference. Buddy and Arturo were saying the strategy they were going to beat Mayweather with was called "Hacoona Matata" whereby Gatti was going to try to hit Floyd right behind the left ear whenever he did that shoulder roll thing. Dont know why McGirt called it "Hacoona Matata" if thats slang for that part behind the ear or what. I spoke to Buddy first and then asked Arturo if it was true. He said yes, they were going to hit ANY AVAILABLE TARGET---hips, elbows, biceps, behind the ear, to try and inflict any kind of pain and slow him down. The problem was Floyd was so goddam fast, Gatti couldnt touch him anywhere, Hacoona Matata or anywhere else for that matter.

    Now we're hearing Ortiz will try the same thing---hit any target legal or borderline-legal. I think despite the 6 years that have elapsed since Floyd's fight with Gatti, that Floyd hasnt really lost much speed if any, and that Ortiz will suffer the same fate as Arturo, who quit after 6. In fact Gatti had a better chin so Ortiz prob wont make it past 4 or 5 and will quit in the same fashion he quit against Maidana.

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