TRUE, I think youre right in that Ortiz was already labelled by our "fave" () Max Kellerman as a quitter after Maidana, and he doesnt or CANNOT afford to reinforce that label by quitting again. But Mayweather has that knack for sapping his opponents' will, simply and psychologically by nullifying any goddam thing they try. So even if Victr refuses to quit, I think Floyd can still make him quit, sadly. As for Ortiz being a better boxer than Gatti youre prob right, poor Arturo was just at times a brawler whereas Victor seems to have a bit more sophistication at times (?), though Gatti did show flashes of great movement and great jab early in his career (versus Patterson, Robinson, etc.). I liked Gatti so much its hard to say he wasnt as good as Ortiz I KNOW Gatti's chin was better than Ortiz!!