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    That's basically what I saw. Seen it happen to dozens of fighters. Only person to blame is Ortiz. He was way out of his depth from the second this fight was signed.
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    Ortiz came with his A game and mayweather played fair and won with ease and he is older!
    Mayweather got headbutted and all the haters think that's fair and ok but mayweather finishing Ortiz in fair style isn't I like PAC man but now hope he dies!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakey View Post
    Im laughing my arse off at everyone whos bagging floyd for defending himself against Larry Merchant. All over the net, on heaps of different forums people hate on Larry every day. Floyd says it to his face and its disrespectful after copping it from Larry on several occasions previously BUT its alright for a bunch of younger ppl to say shit behind his back on the net. Bit of a double standard.
    It's because a lot of people see Floyd go off on one and all they see is a black loud mouth teeing off on an old defenceless white man, spouting incoherent jibba jabba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snakey View Post
    Im laughing my arse off at everyone whos bagging floyd for defending himself against Larry Merchant. All over the net, on heaps of different forums people hate on Larry every day. Floyd says it to his face and its disrespectful after copping it from Larry on several occasions previously BUT its alright for a bunch of younger ppl to say shit behind his back on the net. Bit of a double standard.
    It's because a lot of people see Floyd go off on one and all they see is a black loud mouth teeing off on an old defenceless white man, spouting incoherent jibba jabba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Do you think Ortiz was genuinely hurt? It looked a bit fake to me.

    I wouldnt say fake but he was far too happy about it all for my liking. Once again just pleased to be out of there I think.

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    Ortiz looks like a fool, just seen some of the press conference, he's laughing about it.

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    Ortiz did the same thing against Maidana. Ortiz is the one in the wrong.
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    Both fighters acted like classless punks but I feel the real blame should lie with Cortez... he remineded me of Ali - Liston 2 ref Joe Walcott.

    totally clueless on what was going on and needs to retire before a fighter gets killed by his very sub standard ref skills
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    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Aloha!

    Needed some time away so I took it.

    Here's what I saw.

    1. Ortiz flagrantly risk disqualification by headbutting Mayweather

    2. Referee stops the action, takes a point, and restarts the action by chopping his hand between the fighters

    3. Ortiz moves to apologize to Mayweather and stops defending himself (a VERY bad idea).

    4. Floyd accepts apology, steps back and lands a left hook before Ortiz's hands are up.

    5. Ortiz turns to an oddly distracted Joe Cortez and still fails to defend himself.

    6. Mayweather knocks him out.

    Ortiz acted illegally and then committed a cardinal boxing sin, he failed to defend himself. The fighters weren't on a break, the ref had retarted the action, and just like Dempsey did against Sharkey, Mayweather took advantage of a fighter being stupid.

    Classy? Nope. Legal? You betcha. Ortiz has only himself to blame. He was stupid.

    Then Floyd tried to pick a fight with an eighty year old and lost the verbal fight!

    I had a series a really shitty streams for this fight, but it looked to me like Ortiz was getting the worst of it during the evening, even before the headbutt incident and subsequent KO. Ortiz was being totally outclassed, so in my view the headbutt and KO, were irrelevant, the outcome was pretty much decided by Floyd before that. And I agree, Ortiz is a dumbass.

    So let's cut to the chase, Mayweather needs to fight Pacquiao now, no other fights are going to be acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainanddew View Post
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    You got it spot on. Only thing I would add is...

    Cortez also says 'Lets Go' when he motions the action back on.

    Ortiz just wasnt thinking clearly at that point and im not sure he even heard Cortez say it as a result
    I watched the replay. Ortiz didn't appear to hear it.

    It is one thing if a ref says hey lets fight and one guy is apologizing or touching gloves and the other one punches. You can say, hey we are here to fight so I fought.

    But Floyd pretended to embrace Ortiz's apology and sucker punched his ass. He pretended so that Ortiz wouldn't put up his guard to fight.

    That is a punk move.
    That's what I was thinking. Ortiz got what he deserved but I don't think Floyd gained any fans by doing that. Floyd does not care about the fans anyway, he is in there for the money.

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    The fix was in. If Cortez called fight back on why was his eyes looking outside the ring even after two hard shots landed. Cortez didn't even look at the fighters even after ortiz was down. His head and eyes were looking outside the ring at ringside. He did the same thing to Hatton when Mayweather purposely stuck his head outside the ropes and then took a point off after Hatton hit Mayweather. Is Cortez Mayweather's little boy? A ref doesn't call a fight back on then refuse to look at both fighter. Who paid Joe off.

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    To people asking why Cortez was looking out of the ring. The answer is this, the headbutt happened near the end of the round, he called time, deducted a point, he called the fight back on and then looked at the timekeeper to see if the round was still going on as any ref would do to see if there was still time left in the round. So when Mayweather clocked Ortiz, Cortez looked at the timekeeper to see if the round was still going on and time keeper responded that the round had not ended as there was one second left before the knockdown, so Cortez started counting. Simple as that.
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    It got surreal for me when the ref seemingly stopped Alvarez Gomez a bit premature. I couldn't understand why Ortiz wasn't going after Floyd from the start. I just thought to myself (I wonder if Ortiz is just in awe or he was paid off, but this aint the boy who fought Berto) Mayweather wasn't hitting him as hard as Berto. I couldn't even lean forward in my chair.

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    Floyd was winning just fine. Connecting effectively each round more than 15 punches while Victor was connecting 3 or 4. Not a classy way to win but if someone is fighting dirty, he will be dealt the same way .

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    Well, Floyd didn't break any rules, the fight had been resumed, but Ortiz came towards him as if to aplogise and Mayweather comes towards him, they exchange a couple of words, then Mayweather unloads on him. I don't blame him for not wanting to chat, but he acted like he was accpeting the apology then struck without giving Ortiz any signal that parle was now over, which makes it a sucker punch in my book.

    If he didn't want to chat he should have just gone back into his stance and ignored Ortiz so he'd at least have got the message the it was back on. Remember Barrera turning down a glove touch with hamed in their fight? He just left him there with his arm out stretched, didn't over a handshake then right hook him when he wasn't expecting it. that'd have been acceptable behaviour, it's cricket with it's gentlemanly behavior but we've got to have some standards.

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