Not to Rub It in, but who was out there that said Ortiz...

[Rantcatrat]

Would be a tougher match for Mayweather than Marquez would be for Pacquiao? Someone owes me their sig.

in what way tougher? In the sense that he headbuted mayweather then got ktfo?

Mental toughness is just as important as physical toughness. Ortiz's mental lapses cost him the fight. Specifically, he didn't last 5 rounds before he mentally capitulated.

I thought Ortiz was doing ok until Mayweather's cheap shot.

Ortiz at 147 is a much more dangerous opponent than Marquez at 147 imo.

Physically, you may indeed be correct, but mentally, at any weight class, Ortiz doesn't have a champion mentality. Marquez will win more rounds against Pacquiao than Ortiz did last Saturday. Fact.

[Fenster]

Shouldn't you wait until Pac-Marquez have actually fought?

I think there's a very good chance Pac sparks Marquez early this time.

[Galaxy]

Shouldn't you wait until Pac-Marquez have actually fought?

I think there's a very good chance Pac sparks Marquez early this time.

I'm with Fenster, sorta like putting the horse before the cart?!

I still think Ortiz was a tougher choice of opponent than JMM was for Pac at this stage.

Ortiz just acted like a bitch, then got treated like one!

[Rantcatrat]

Shouldn't you wait until Pac-Marquez have actually fought?

I think there's a very good chance Pac sparks Marquez early this time.

Of course - it's way premature.

However, I had Ortiz only winning 1 round (and I was generous) so as long as Marquez wins 1 round and lasts passed the 5th, or wins two rounds, my theory stands as correct. Given that Marquez won considerably more rounds than Pacquiao in their two previous contests, I believe that means the odds heavily favor me?

[Kev]

Shouldn't you wait until Pac-Marquez have actually fought?

I think there's a very good chance Pac sparks Marquez early this time.

Of course - it's way premature.

However, I had Ortiz only winning 1 round (and I was generous) so as long as Marquez wins 1 round and lasts passed the 5th or wins two rounds, my theory stands as correct. Given that Marquez won considerably more rounds than Pacquiao in their two previous contests, I believe that means the odds heavily favor me?

So by your own admission Ortiz won more rounds against Floyd than Marquez did.

Ortiz is a tougher opponent at 147 than Marquez.

Glad you agree.

[Rantcatrat]

Shouldn't you wait until Pac-Marquez have actually fought?

I think there's a very good chance Pac sparks Marquez early this time.

Of course - it's way premature.

However, I had Ortiz only winning 1 round (and I was generous) so as long as Marquez wins 1 round and lasts passed the 5th or wins two rounds, my theory stands as correct. Given that Marquez won considerably more rounds than Pacquiao in their two previous contests, I believe that means the odds heavily favor me?

So by your own admission Ortiz won more rounds against Floyd than Marquez did.

Ortiz is a tougher opponent at 147 than Marquez.

Glad you agree.

My issue was never who was a tougher opponent at 147. My issue was that Marquez would be a tougher opponent for Pacquiao than Ortiz would be for Mayweather. It was the subject of a previous thread: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...z-marquez.html

And, given what happened on Saturday, I believe the odds heavily favor me.

[cambay411]

To bad we didnt even get to see how good of a fight Mayweather vs Ortiz could have been....