I know they are NOWHERE near as good as Winky but Kyvelos attempted to back Tony up,he said it was his gameplan,Santos did try too and so did the Argentinan Lujan.In that fight Margarito was actually boxing and moving!! Then he thought better of it and broke Lujan#s ear! People think Margarito is stupid,1 dimensional etc but the guy can switch hit,counter,mash up your body(as he did to Santos and Cintron) etc. He's not as dumb as some would like to believe.