Is Tony Blair a devil in human forml?

[Gandalf]

No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

[Kev]

No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

So on reflection, you agree taht Abass and the PA are in the wring this then eh? It's good that you are able to be more flexible on your views these days.

[Gandalf]

No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

So on reflection, you agree taht Abass and the PA are in the wring this then eh? It's good that you are able to be more flexible on your views these days.

Your syntax suggests to me that you are sampling your bar.

Nah, I fully support a Palestinian state and I think it would be a great thing. But I will not elaborate as today is a beautiful fall day and I am going to walk around the lake. I just can't be bothered posting as I know it would involve elongated posting that I can't be bothered with. The winter months are far better for political pontificating. Here I just wanted to have a dig at lazarus Blair who I think is a nasty and dangerous individual.

[Andre]

No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

Yes, but you must admit, if Palestinians are granted the freedom to roam where they will,there will be alot more people around with hair like Victor Ortizes.

[AdamGB]

People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

[Gandalf]

People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

Typical Adam GB.

Do you think anybody seriously underestimates how Tory Friedman style politics of the 80's helped disintegrate Britain and made it the over priced dump it is today? Of course not.

That isn't what I am arguing. Here I am focusing on an individual who went against the interests of his general populace and engaged in war. A war many believe to be illegal and thus making Blair a war criminal. And having perpetuated Tory economic policies namely by removing clause 4 and officially becoming identical to the Tories. Blair also allowed the continued deregulation of the financial sector. Sure he spent a lot of money on social regeneration and wasted a lot more, but ultimately Britain was a privatised nation and one where typical households lived in debt.

What it ultimately led to was a bankrupt Britain and a Britain seriously harmed in the wake of Iraq. Now that Blair is gone he is now swanning around the world making millions by drumming up war with Iran and going lobbying for US interests against Palestine. The man is a slimeball, at least Thatcher just vanished after her attempt at botching up Britain. Blair has no shame.

[Gandalf]

It was Brown himself who declared an end to the days of boom and bust. Erm sorry.....with a deregulated financial market that is an incredibly naive and foolish thing to say. If we had regulation and a division between consumer and investment banking then this entire saga would have been less than what it was. We could have allowed the investment bankers to fall over a cliff or at least nationalise them on a permanent basis thus being of benefit to society at large. Let those who lose their silly bonuses run away to Wall Street. Banks run by the state in the interests of those who invest in them. Less of the risk taking that is rampant in deregulated profits motivated investment banking.

Deregulation is as much Labour's responsibility as they were too ignorant to pay it the least bit of attention.

[AdamGB]

People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

Typical Adam GB.

Do you think anybody seriously underestimates how Tory Friedman style politics of the 80's helped disintegrate Britain and made it the over priced dump it is today? Of course not.

Yes, I believe that is exactly what I said, which bit couldn't you comprehend?... again, sheeple are extremely fickle and my point is that Blair/Labour seem to be getting all of the blame for something that is not entirely their fault.

Am I saying that Labour didn't have a thing to do with it? Of course I'm fucking not.

Sue me if I couldn't be arsed to engage you on the tired, 'typical miles' Blair war criminal debate that you have been droning on about for years and would rather talk about the other ills that all apparently lie at the Blair Governments feet.

Honestly Miles, we get it... you don't like Blair and you think he is an evil Western War Monger, worse than the likes of Mohamed Farrah Aidid etc

[VictorCharlie]

I'm not well versed in UK politics or economics but when you look at most financial bubble busts (in the U.S.) it usually stems from some type of government involvment whether it be subisidizing (housing), taxes (medical), etc. Bubbles will normally not form in a free market and/or not be as resounding due to basic supply and demand principles. The U.S. housing market bubble was perpetuated b/c no one in the industry or gov't wanted to stop the party. While you can point to poor regulation of the derivatives market as the point things spiraled out of control the over subsidizing by the U.S. govt in the housing market was the clear impetus of the problem. The centralizing of the U.S. banking system in the Fed which is clearly a Cartel, has caused dramatic loss of freedom both in U.S. citizens personal and financial lives. I have no opinion on Blair being the devil or what type of gov't the UK needs but I will always prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful servitude.

[Master]

If Blair is then Cameron has replaced Maggie as Satan.

[Gandalf]

People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

Typical Adam GB.

Do you think anybody seriously underestimates how Tory Friedman style politics of the 80's helped disintegrate Britain and made it the over priced dump it is today? Of course not.

Yes, I believe that is exactly what I said, which bit couldn't you comprehend?... again, sheeple are extremely fickle and my point is that Blair/Labour seem to be getting all of the blame for something that is not entirely their fault.

Am I saying that Labour didn't have a thing to do with it? Of course I'm fucking not.

Sue me if I couldn't be arsed to engage you on the tired, 'typical miles' Blair war criminal debate that you have been droning on about for years and would rather talk about the other ills that all apparently lie at the Blair Governments feet.

Honestly Miles, we get it... you don't like Blair and you think he is an evil Western War Monger, worse than the likes of Mohamed Farrah Aidid etc

A party that refuses to reverse rampant privatisation and regulate the financial markets is one that perpetuates the previous parties policies. They are either in complete collusion or totally ignorant of what they were doing. Either way Labour was just as responsible for the meltdown and Blair was in power for a good decade. Hardly a blink of an eye. He gets the rap for economic immaturity too. People are suffering today partly because of him and his economic policies.