Fighters who lost the generational hand over fight

[ono]

Interesting question:

Frazier V Ali 1 :The reason is, up until this fight Ali was considered unbeatable, the lay off for almost 3 years would affect him and the world had changed dramatically in that short time. The world of boxing changed completely after that fight. It took Ali three and a half years to regain the title.

Arguello V Olivares : The dynamo that was Ruben Olivares was stopped by Alexis Arguello after a great fight in November 1974 ( i had Olivares winning this up until round 12) the changing of the guard had arrived. Olivares had one last great win against Bobby Chacon some months later and that was it.

Leonard V Duran 2: This fight signaled the end of the aura of invincibility that Roberto Duran had in boxing circles for the previous 10 years. It was a strange, dramatic, puzzling and extremely disappointing result for a fighter who was already a legend by this time.

Hatton V Tszyu : The generational changeover that really didn't shock that many people, Hatton was 9 years younger than Tszyu who was injury prone and inactive for almost two and a half years with weight problems, fighting at home, with a local referee and he had the hunger. Tszyu approaching 36 was not going to win this fight.

Disagree with your assessment of Tszyu - Hatton. There was a poll in Boxing Monthly, where 35 Boxing experts had to pick a winner, and 34 of them went for Tszyu....who was ranked p4p #3 at the time.

[Kev]

Yeah Tszyu was a massive favourite in that fight.

Lacy getting stuffed by Calzaghe comes to mind.

Pavlik losing to Hopkins. Pascal losing to Hopkins, and who knows maybe Dawson losing to Hopkins.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Interesting question:

Frazier V Ali 1 :The reason is, up until this fight Ali was considered unbeatable, the lay off for almost 3 years would affect him and the world had changed dramatically in that short time. The world of boxing changed completely after that fight. It took Ali three and a half years to regain the title.

Arguello V Olivares : The dynamo that was Ruben Olivares was stopped by Alexis Arguello after a great fight in November 1974 ( i had Olivares winning this up until round 12) the changing of the guard had arrived. Olivares had one last great win against Bobby Chacon some months later and that was it.

Leonard V Duran 2: This fight signaled the end of the aura of invincibility that Roberto Duran had in boxing circles for the previous 10 years. It was a strange, dramatic, puzzling and extremely disappointing result for a fighter who was already a legend by this time.

Hatton V Tszyu : The generational changeover that really didn't shock that many people, Hatton was 9 years younger than Tszyu who was injury prone and inactive for almost two and a half years with weight problems, fighting at home, with a local referee and he had the hunger. Tszyu approaching 36 was not going to win this fight.

Disagree with your assessment of Tszyu - Hatton. There was a poll in Boxing Monthly, where 35 Boxing experts had to pick a winner, and 34 of them went for Tszyu....who was ranked p4p #3 at the time.

I can fully understand why they did too, his previous win was a stunning knockout over Mitchell in just 3 rounds. My point is i think people were clouded by that win, his first fight in almost 2 years and the fact he was approaching 36 all spelt danger to me. When i saw the weigh in i thought he was in trouble, he looked drawn and gaunt, it was no surprise that he didn't make it first go. Hatton was no bum and with age on his side and that real hunger and support in front of a home crowd Tszyu was doomed to failure.
It was definitely a generational handover and Hatton did well with it for couple of years before meeting PBF.

[ono]

Interesting question:

Frazier V Ali 1 :The reason is, up until this fight Ali was considered unbeatable, the lay off for almost 3 years would affect him and the world had changed dramatically in that short time. The world of boxing changed completely after that fight. It took Ali three and a half years to regain the title.

Arguello V Olivares : The dynamo that was Ruben Olivares was stopped by Alexis Arguello after a great fight in November 1974 ( i had Olivares winning this up until round 12) the changing of the guard had arrived. Olivares had one last great win against Bobby Chacon some months later and that was it.

Leonard V Duran 2: This fight signaled the end of the aura of invincibility that Roberto Duran had in boxing circles for the previous 10 years. It was a strange, dramatic, puzzling and extremely disappointing result for a fighter who was already a legend by this time.

Hatton V Tszyu : The generational changeover that really didn't shock that many people, Hatton was 9 years younger than Tszyu who was injury prone and inactive for almost two and a half years with weight problems, fighting at home, with a local referee and he had the hunger. Tszyu approaching 36 was not going to win this fight.

Disagree with your assessment of Tszyu - Hatton. There was a poll in Boxing Monthly, where 35 Boxing experts had to pick a winner, and 34 of them went for Tszyu....who was ranked p4p #3 at the time.

I can fully understand why they did too, his previous win was a stunning knockout over Mitchell in just 3 rounds. My point is i think people were clouded by that win, his first fight in almost 2 years and the fact he was approaching 36 all spelt danger to me. When i saw the weigh in i thought he was in trouble, he looked drawn and gaunt, it was no surprise that he didn't make it first go. Hatton was no bum and with age on his side and that real hunger and support in front of a home crowd Tszyu was doomed to failure.
It was definitely a generational handover and Hatton did well with it for couple of years before meeting PBF.

Yeah but you said it didn't shock many people

[BIG H]

Interesting question:

Frazier V Ali 1 :The reason is, up until this fight Ali was considered unbeatable, the lay off for almost 3 years would affect him and the world had changed dramatically in that short time. The world of boxing changed completely after that fight. It took Ali three and a half years to regain the title.

Arguello V Olivares : The dynamo that was Ruben Olivares was stopped by Alexis Arguello after a great fight in November 1974 ( i had Olivares winning this up until round 12) the changing of the guard had arrived. Olivares had one last great win against Bobby Chacon some months later and that was it.

Leonard V Duran 2: This fight signaled the end of the aura of invincibility that Roberto Duran had in boxing circles for the previous 10 years. It was a strange, dramatic, puzzling and extremely disappointing result for a fighter who was already a legend by this time.

Hatton V Tszyu : The generational changeover that really didn't shock that many people, Hatton was 9 years younger than Tszyu who was injury prone and inactive for almost two and a half years with weight problems, fighting at home, with a local referee and he had the hunger. Tszyu approaching 36 was not going to win this fight.

Disagree with your assessment of Tszyu - Hatton. There was a poll in Boxing Monthly, where 35 Boxing experts had to pick a winner, and 34 of them went for Tszyu....who was ranked p4p #3 at the time.

I can fully understand why they did too, his previous win was a stunning knockout over Mitchell in just 3 rounds. My point is i think people were clouded by that win, his first fight in almost 2 years and the fact he was approaching 36 all spelt danger to me. When i saw the weigh in i thought he was in trouble, he looked drawn and gaunt, it was no surprise that he didn't make it first go. Hatton was no bum and with age on his side and that real hunger and support in front of a home crowd Tszyu was doomed to failure.
It was definitely a generational handover and Hatton did well with it for couple of years before meeting PBF.

Not sure how much being 36 has to do with anything? He had had less fights than Hatton and no real wars! You could say that the inactivity was a nice rest. Anyway, it wasn't like he was out for 5 years like SRL against Hagler, he fought once in 2003, once in 2004 and once in 2005. If he was old and suffering from inactivity I think it would've showed in the fight that was less than 7 months earlier (Mitchell) I mean what exactly happened in those 7 months that took Tszyu from arguably his best win, to being old and bound to lose to Hatton

[Otley]

Pavlik v Hopkins

&

Hopkins v Pascal


Job Biscuit (That Hopkins has alot to say about himself)!!!


eh eh!!!

[Fenster]

Pretty sure Fernando Vargas was favourite against Tito. He never won a big fight after that.

[brocktonblockbust]

Pretty sure Fernando Vargas was favourite against Tito. He never won a big fight after that.

Rubbish. Trinidad was a 7-5 favorite in the pay-per-view (TVKO) match.

CNNSI.com - Boxing - Vargas vs. Trinidad - Fighters make final preparations before fight - Friday December 29, 2000 12:36 AM

[erics44]

robin reid v carl froch

[Fenster]

Pretty sure Fernando Vargas was favourite against Tito. He never won a big fight after that.

Rubbish. Trinidad was a 7-5 favorite in the pay-per-view (TVKO) match.

CNNSI.com - Boxing - Vargas vs. Trinidad - Fighters make final preparations before fight - Friday December 29, 2000 12:36 AM

Does that make sense? 7-5 is odds against.

Thanks anyway. I knew the betting was tight. The young unexposed guy was well fancied.