Hopkins vs. Dawson on HBO PPV Oct 15th (Offical Sat Night chat thread)

[ICB]

I don't even see how it can be a TKO, if a fighter can't continue before 4 rounds isn't it a no contest like when a fighter gets cut due to illegal blow ? there was no count either so im totally confused here has the ref just made up his own rules ?

[Spicoli]

It as clearly a scissor clip crap move. Dawson cuffs his leg and shrugs him off huge, clear as fooking day. Ref was mute on both counts

[NuthaPug]

So only one of us got it right in the poll at the top of this thread.

That's kinda funny.

I know Hopkins seems to have a hstory of overplaying the injury factor, but I tend to agree with his comments to Kellerman: that this is what it is. Dawson dipped low, Hopkins swung over him and maybe overdid that too as he put his weight on Dawson. Another typical tactic like walking the other fighter backwards by leaning - tire him out. And a head game to frustrate him, too. It's Hopkins. And Dawson didn't like it.

Who would? But Dawson overdid the reaction. What he did was illegal.

And the ref seemed to go into neutral and lose all sense of purpose and direction at this point as others have mentioned. No count for BHop, no warning to Dawson, no nothing. I was sure it would be either a no contest (boo hiss) or a DQ (yes!).

I hope that a medical exam proves a real injury, and that the decision is overturned. Dawson doesn't deserve to become a champion this way.

Sad. This following so closely on the heels of Mayweather-Ortiz is disheartening. (Not to compare the two in any way except that each is an abnormal, unexpected and controversial ending to a fairly major fight).

Fight looked even to me and I was hoping to see Hopkins turn it up else it might have gone the way of the Jermaine Taylor fights was my fear. Dawson looked like he could have been a real threat by being more active and bringing the fight. Shouldn'a had to tackle Hopkins to win.

[Hulk]

What an abrupt ending. I'm glad I did not order the ppv for that one. Jesus Christ...

Bernard has faked in the past, especially in the Roy Jones rematch, but tonight Dawson scooped up Hopkins and dumped him on the ground.

Easily could have been a DQ, which might have been what Hopkins was aiming for and may have milked it a bit.

A no contest is the LEAST it could be.

But a fucking TKO win for Dawson !? WTF !?

[Majesty]

Can't justify what happened by saying Hopkins did it in the past.

If Hopkins had a history of faking being low blowed, it wouldn't be justified if an opponent blatantly did it and then was awarded a win because of it.

Dawson was in the wrong, both in the foul, and then his behavior after the fight. Hopkins for once was legit fouled and injured. Wrong is wrong, it doesn't matter if he has faked injury in the past, it doesn't make it right that he was robbed tonight.

Hopkins deserves a rematch and Dawson is going to try to avoid it cause he knows.

[mrkyll]

What an abrupt ending. I'm glad I did not order the ppv for that one. Jesus Christ...

Bernard has faked in the past, especially in the Roy Jones rematch, but tonight Dawson scooped up Hopkins and dumped him on the ground.

Easily could have been a DQ, which might have been what Hopkins was aiming for and may have milked it a bit.

A no contest is the LEAST it could be.

But a fucking TKO win for Dawson !? WTF !?

Dawson did NOT scoop him up. Watch the video, Hopkins was climbing on his back. His right foot was already in the air before Dawson made his contact

[Hulk]

What an abrupt ending. I'm glad I did not order the ppv for that one. Jesus Christ...

Bernard has faked in the past, especially in the Roy Jones rematch, but tonight Dawson scooped up Hopkins and dumped him on the ground.

Easily could have been a DQ, which might have been what Hopkins was aiming for and may have milked it a bit.

A no contest is the LEAST it could be.

But a fucking TKO win for Dawson !? WTF !?

Dawson did NOT scoop him up. Watch the video, Hopkins was climbing on his back. His right foot was already in the air before Dawson made his contact

Dawson ducked under Bernard, lifted him up with his torso, and for added help he used his left arm to lift Hopkins leg up and then throw him to the ground.

[mrkyll]

What an abrupt ending. I'm glad I did not order the ppv for that one. Jesus Christ...

Bernard has faked in the past, especially in the Roy Jones rematch, but tonight Dawson scooped up Hopkins and dumped him on the ground.

Easily could have been a DQ, which might have been what Hopkins was aiming for and may have milked it a bit.

A no contest is the LEAST it could be.

But a fucking TKO win for Dawson !? WTF !?

Dawson did NOT scoop him up. Watch the video, Hopkins was climbing on his back. His right foot was already in the air before Dawson made his contact

Dawson ducked under Bernard, lifted him up with his torso, and for added help he used his left arm to lift Hopkins leg up and then throw him to the ground.

Watch it again. Bernard almost hopped up on his back. His right leg was off the ground. Tape don't lie

[global]

Looks like a doctor has said Hopkins dislocated a joint that connects the collar bone to the shoulder blade. No faking in this fight, hard to see them not changing it to a no decision.

[Tam Seddon]

He clearly got injured by being thrown to the floor by Dawson. I don't see how anybody can say he was faking it. No way Dawson can take a win from this, I hope this is changed to a no decision and they rematch asap. What a shame, looked like it was going to be a snoozefest though...

[SEB]

I left Boxing a while ago for MMA (exept for Pacquiao), in terms of entertainment. but when I see stuff like this, .....where boxing did go ?

these referees should be fired or at least held accountable for their stupid decisions (have been a lot lately).

I don't miss boxing at all seeing stuff like that.

[Gandalf]

Even if injured Hopkins clearly brought it upon himself. You don't flop over and molest your opponent like he was doing. You are perfectly entitled to free yourself from the grip of someone. As for believing the latest update on Hopkins shoulder, I would like to know more than just be told that he has injured it. Let's see some evidence. The fans deserve that.

Also there is clear footage of Hopkins saying that he could not continue and was banging his other hand on the canvas. Now he was asked if he could continue repeatedly. Post fight in the Kellerman interview Hopkins said that he was never asked if he could continue. He has not only screwed up from having tried to smother his opponent by leaning all over him and being pushed away, he has been caught lying.

He was asked if he could continue and he said that he couldn't. Post fight he had gone into denial mode.

Hopkins is lame. At least go out on your guard or at least ask for 5 minutes first. But immediately, it was 'I can't continue!'. Quite a sad exit, but I guess it seldom ends that well for these old types.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I left Boxing a while ago for MMA (exept for Pacquiao), in terms of entertainment. but when I see stuff like this, .....where boxing did go ?

these referees should be fired or at least held accountable for their stupid decisions (have been a lot lately).

I don't miss boxing at all seeing stuff like that.

Ahmen.

At this point I look at boxing's credibility, it's prosperity and it's entertainment value and realise it has absolutely none.

Boxing is dead.

[THE THIRD MAN]

The Rugby World Cup is being played in NZ, Dawson would be right at home. This fight was on it's way to being a total bore, but the truth is Boxing is the big loser here.

[Mars_ax]

Even if injured Hopkins clearly brought it upon himself. You don't flop over and molest your opponent like he was doing. You are perfectly entitled to free yourself from the grip of someone. As for believing the latest update on Hopkins shoulder, I would like to know more than just be told that he has injured it. Let's see some evidence. The fans deserve that.

Also there is clear footage of Hopkins saying that he could not continue and was banging his other hand on the canvas. Now he was asked if he could continue repeatedly. Post fight in the Kellerman interview Hopkins said that he was never asked if he could continue. He has not only screwed up from having tried to smother his opponent by leaning all over him and being pushed away, he has been caught lying.

He was asked if he could continue and he said that he couldn't. Post fight he had gone into denial mode.

Hopkins is lame. At least go out on your guard or at least ask for 5 minutes first. But immediately, it was 'I can't continue!'. Quite a sad exit, but I guess it seldom ends that well for these old types.

I think Dawson got it right, "Gangster" Hop just fucking quit, but I believe Hop wouldn't have quit if he'd known they were going to award Dawson with a TKO.

For what it's worth, I liked the way Dawson was fighting before the fight got stopped, it looked to me like Dawson might be on his way to a KO or at least winning a decision. I've got no sympathy for Hopkins whatsoever, he's used dirty tactics his entire career, and it's finally come back to haunt him.