"Floyd is Boring" - Why do you think so?

[p4pking]

And I love watching Toneys old fights, but he operates nowhere near Floyds level these days and hasn't for many many years.

[generalbulldog]

Why does someone feel that Floyd is boring? Maybe they don't like his style and have a preference for another style. There's your answer. Different tastes, different likes and dislikes.

FWIW, I do like Floyd's style but I'm not going to question people about why they might not like that particular brand of fighting and then call people "haters" for not liking it. Just like people who likes the NFL doesn't like Michael Vick's particular style of QB but might prefer a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady style of being a qb or vice versa.

[Gandalf]

And I love watching Toneys old fights, but he operates nowhere near Floyds level these days and hasn't for many many years.

But that doesn't get past the fact that I enjoy watching Toney fight and fall asleep watching Floyd. Of course Toney isn't operating on Floyd's level these days, but he's in his mid 40's. He isn't going to to be, but even now he still has just as much output as Floyd and I am mega excited about his fight with Lebedev. I couldn't say the same about Mayweather/Ortiz. Toney is such fun to watch and even an old Toney.

He's been one of my favourites for years and he always will. A legend who ducks nobody.

[p4pking]

And I love watching Toneys old fights, but he operates nowhere near Floyds level these days and hasn't for many many years.

But that doesn't get past the fact that I enjoy watching Toney fight and fall asleep watching Floyd. Of course Toney isn't operating on Floyd's level these days, but he's in his mid 40's. He isn't going to to be, but even now he still has just as much output as Floyd and I am mega excited about his fight with Lebedev. I couldn't say the same about Mayweather/Ortiz. Toney is such fun to watch and even an old Toney.

He's been one of my favourites for years and he always will. A legend who ducks nobody.

Hey fair enough, I'm really hopeful Toney can pull it off tomorrow as well and wish I could watch. I really don't get enjoying Toney of late though if Floyd puts you to sleep.. He simply does not have as much output as Mayweather has over the last few years and defensively they are the closest thing to each other in the sport skill wise. I wasn't excited about Mayweather/Ortiz either but it was pretty good action until the end, which I don't blame Mayweather for in the slightest myself.

[Gandalf]

And I love watching Toneys old fights, but he operates nowhere near Floyds level these days and hasn't for many many years.

But that doesn't get past the fact that I enjoy watching Toney fight and fall asleep watching Floyd. Of course Toney isn't operating on Floyd's level these days, but he's in his mid 40's. He isn't going to to be, but even now he still has just as much output as Floyd and I am mega excited about his fight with Lebedev. I couldn't say the same about Mayweather/Ortiz. Toney is such fun to watch and even an old Toney.

He's been one of my favourites for years and he always will. A legend who ducks nobody.

Hey fair enough, I'm really hopeful Toney can pull it off tomorrow as well and wish I could watch. I really don't get enjoying Toney of late though if Floyd puts you to sleep.. He simply does not have as much output as Mayweather has over the last few years and defensively they are the closest thing to each other in the sport skill wise. I wasn't excited about Mayweather/Ortiz either but it was pretty good action until the end, which I don't blame Mayweather for in the slightest myself.

I would have preferred Mayweather to finish it properly. A bit of a short change ending with the sucker punch.

As for Mr Toney, I think it is also the continued fascination with seeing an older man continue to display slickness, chin and an ability to win. He throws combinations on occasion too which is something Floyd almost never does anymore. His only loss in recent times was that second loss to Peter as Toney clearly won the first fight and Toney is so much smaller than EVERYONE he ever fights. This fight is something new in that regard. Toney is finally in with a man his own size.

[p4pking]

I would have preferred that as well of course, but Ortiz was the one who threw boxing out the window really imo.. Very few pro's are going to feel obligated to play nice with a guy who is headbutting like that, and fwiw given Ortiz mental breakdown with the kissing and shit afterwards I don't think he would've been in the fight much longer anyways. The first fight with Peter was great, and that was the last good fight of Toney's to which I was referring. Lebedev is really just tough and crude, not a patch on Toney skill wise; the odds on that one puzzle me even despite Toney's looking so poor for a few years. Makes me wonder(though I hope not) if the weight loss hasn't done Toney any good. I've only seen that clip of him hitting mitts, but obviously the bookies will have an idea of how he's been holding up in sparring etc. 6 to 1, given the disparity in talent is quite odd to me.

[Gandalf]

I would have preferred that as well of course, but Ortiz was the one who threw boxing out the window really imo.. Very few pro's are going to feel obligated to play nice with a guy who is headbutting like that, and fwiw given Ortiz mental breakdown with the kissing and shit afterwards I don't think he would've been in the fight much longer anyways. The first fight with Peter was great, and that was the last good fight of Toney's to which I was referring. Lebedev is really just tough and crude, not a patch on Toney skill wise; the odds on that one puzzle me even despite Toney's looking so poor for a few years. Makes me wonder(though I hope not) if the weight loss hasn't done Toney any good. I've only seen that clip of him hitting mitts, but obviously the bookies will have an idea of how he's been holding up in sparring etc. 6 to 1, given the disparity in talent is quite odd to me.

Yes, that's a huge price and I can't make head nor tail of it. Lebedev wasn't looking that great against a completely shot Jones Jr and though Toney hasn't done a great deal for a couple of years, he has been hanging with big men who throw big punches. I also think he deserved the win over Rahman in their second fight. He was looking sharp early on in that one and though he struggled a little with Oquendo, I still think he won that fight. His last couple have been gimmies really. Just easy wins over bums.

This is a bit of a step up and I am a little nervous, but I can't wait to see Toney fighting a meaningful fight again.

[15rounder]

And I love watching Toneys old fights, but he operates nowhere near Floyds level these days and hasn't for many many years.

But that doesn't get past the fact that I enjoy watching Toney fight and fall asleep watching Floyd. Of course Toney isn't operating on Floyd's level these days, but he's in his mid 40's. He isn't going to to be, but even now he still has just as much output as Floyd and I am mega excited about his fight with Lebedev. I couldn't say the same about Mayweather/Ortiz. Toney is such fun to watch and even an old Toney.

He's been one of my favourites for years and he always will. A legend who ducks nobody.

Hey fair enough, I'm really hopeful Toney can pull it off tomorrow as well and wish I could watch. I really don't get enjoying Toney of late though if Floyd puts you to sleep.. He simply does not have as much output as Mayweather has over the last few years and defensively they are the closest thing to each other in the sport skill wise. I wasn't excited about Mayweather/Ortiz either but it was pretty good action until the end, which I don't blame Mayweather for in the slightest myself.

I'm not debating the legality of those cheap shots by Floyd, perfectly legal. But to tell everyone for years that you're making certain moves for the good of boxing? That wasn't for the good of boxing. To tell people that you are the greatest of all time (he states he's better than Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson) and then have to win like that? Not buying it. If you're the greatest of all time, you shouldn't have to take cheap shots like that. No one in the consensus to 10 greatest boxers of all time won any of their fights on a cheap shot. Maybe got some decisiions they didnt deserve, but didn't take cheap shots that resulted in a fight ending and didn't rob boxing fans of their purchase. Again, perfectly legal, but give me a break.

[p4pking]

Well to be fair given how many times Robinson fought he may well have had fights that ended not unlike that, we wouldn't really know. Moreso though I think it's Ortiz headbutting that is quite rare in that level of prizefight, so you can't really say who would or wouldn't have retaliated that way.. Blatant headbutts are a serious foul and if you're going to do that against someone who prides themself on not taking punishment you should at the very least expect to defend yourself afterwards surely.. I will not give you a break, good day sir!

[15rounder]

I just said I wasn't debating the legality. I didn't say Ortiz was right in what he did. At the very least Ortiz should have had two points deducted or for that matter disqualified. But those were cheap shots and I'm willing to bet Robinson didn't win ANY of his fights like that. Muhammad Ali was an ass at times but he never had to dole out cheap shots to win fights. Mike Tyson was a thug on the streets but never threw cheap shots to win a fight (he was disqualified in the bite fight but no cheap shots). So your argument it mute sir. Think whatever you want to to help yourself sleep at night. But Floyd is not better than Muhammad Ali in or out of the ring. Floyd is not better than Sugar Ray Robinson in or out of the Ring. Floyd doesn't give a shit about "the good of boxing". Floyd has always been a thug outside the ring. He became one in the ring that night. Good day to YOU sir.

[p4pking]

Its moot, not 'mute'... And Floyd clearly didn't HAVE to do that to win the fight, he just chose to, my post was me saying I didn't personally blame him. I don't care what you think about that ffs lol, as if anything boxing related should affect how one sleeps at night. That's for the people that make it personal for no reason, such as yourself