Something that has occured to me about Chris John.

[El Kabong]

Of course he's protecting his record. He won't leave the Philippines and the people he fights are God awful. Throw him to Gamboa and it would be 1 very quick night! Chris John is just very average to me, decent chin, decent stamina, but speed? Power? The guy is nothing flashy at all.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Of course he's protecting his record. He won't leave the Philippines and the people he fights are God awful. Throw him to Gamboa and it would be 1 very quick night! Chris John is just very average to me, decent chin, decent stamina, but speed? Power? The guy is nothing flashy at all.

Indonesia you mean. Yea he'd rather make easy money in his backyard instead of challenging himself in the states...

I think the Juarez fight kinda spooked him cuz the judges were looking to rob him..

I got to disagree about one thing though.. Chris JOhn is no average fighter.. Any fighter who fights neck n neck with a prime Marquez is no ordinary fighter.

He may not be flashy or exceptional in any one area but that doesn't mean that he's average.

He's been champion since 03 and that's no easy task regardless of how many bums he's fought..

Dragon John is a bad ass fighter..

[Dia bando]

Chris John is a fighter that doe's every thing Well just a all round great little fighter,you dont have to be flash to be good just a master boxer that's Chris John.

[FinitoElDinamita]

In his defense, JOhn was willing to face Gamboa this past March but scumbag Arum fucked it up as always.

Late last year, Gamboa and Co made a verbal agreement with John that the fight would take place in March 11' but TR had a change of heart and chose to fight that bum Solis instead.. And i know for a fact that it wasn't JOhn's fault.. John agreed to all the terms and wanted Gamboa badly but he got left hanging at the last minute..

He's not exactly jumping to fight all the top guys but at the same time, fighters aren't eager to face him either.. They know what he's about..

[Rantcatrat]

In his defense, JOhn was willing to face Gamboa this past March but scumbag Arum fucked it up as always.

Late last year, Gamboa and Co made a verbal agreement with John that the fight would take place in March 11' but TR had a change of heart and chose to fight that bum Solis instead.. And i know for a fact that it wasn't JOhn's fault.. John agreed to all the terms and wanted Gamboa badly but he got left hanging at the last minute..

He's not exactly jumping to fight all the top guys but at the same time, fighters aren't eager to face him either.. They know what he's about..

Chris John is wasting his time fighting obscure fighters in Indonesia any way you look at it. He is good, but we'll never know if he is great because he hasn't really challenged himself in years. If he wanted Gamboa that badly he would have already fought him. It's not like Gamboa has ducked anybody and considering he is risking moving up to lightweight to challenge Rios, I'd say he is considerably more ambitious than John. Gamboa isn't the only name at featherweight either.

I find him at this stage in his career very comparable to Felix Sturm although I rank the Knife higher than most of John's recent opponents (not that Daud Yordan is that bad, but he was coming off a bad loss to Caballero). Both are longstanding champions that are willing to ride out their career in their home country.

[FinitoElDinamita]

In his defense, JOhn was willing to face Gamboa this past March but scumbag Arum fucked it up as always.

Late last year, Gamboa and Co made a verbal agreement with John that the fight would take place in March 11' but TR had a change of heart and chose to fight that bum Solis instead.. And i know for a fact that it wasn't JOhn's fault.. John agreed to all the terms and wanted Gamboa badly but he got left hanging at the last minute..

He's not exactly jumping to fight all the top guys but at the same time, fighters aren't eager to face him either.. They know what he's about..

Chris John is wasting his time fighting obscure fighters in Indonesia any way you look at it. He is good, but we'll never know if he is great because he hasn't really challenged himself in years. If he wanted Gamboa that badly he would have already fought him. It's not like Gamboa has ducked anybody and considering he is risking moving up to lightweight to challenge Rios, I'd say he is considerably more ambitious than John. Gamboa isn't the only name at featherweight either.

I find him at this stage in his career very comparable to Felix Sturm although I rank the Knife higher than most of John's recent opponents (not that Daud Yordan is that bad, but he was coming off a bad loss to Caballero). Both are longstanding champions that are willing to ride out their career in their home country.

IT's more complicated than that bro. He agreed to the purse and even the venue but TR viewed him as a high risk/low reward opponent so they backed out for a soft touch in Solis.. If Arum doesnt want it, then the fight isn't going to happen regardless of how badly the fighter wants it..

Gamboa has avoided a few fighters... For a guy who has been holding a title for as long as he has, his resume should look alot better than that. He's yet to be in a 50-50 fight but im not surprised cuz that's how Arum handles his fighters.. He babies them until that perfect fight comes up..

Gamboa is like Lucian Bute right now.. BOth held titles for awhile but they aren't fighting real threats..

Rios fight is just that right now.. talks... until he actually faces rios in the ring, i view him as a protected fighter.

[Rantcatrat]

In his defense, JOhn was willing to face Gamboa this past March but scumbag Arum fucked it up as always.

Late last year, Gamboa and Co made a verbal agreement with John that the fight would take place in March 11' but TR had a change of heart and chose to fight that bum Solis instead.. And i know for a fact that it wasn't JOhn's fault.. John agreed to all the terms and wanted Gamboa badly but he got left hanging at the last minute..

He's not exactly jumping to fight all the top guys but at the same time, fighters aren't eager to face him either.. They know what he's about..

Chris John is wasting his time fighting obscure fighters in Indonesia any way you look at it. He is good, but we'll never know if he is great because he hasn't really challenged himself in years. If he wanted Gamboa that badly he would have already fought him. It's not like Gamboa has ducked anybody and considering he is risking moving up to lightweight to challenge Rios, I'd say he is considerably more ambitious than John. Gamboa isn't the only name at featherweight either.

I find him at this stage in his career very comparable to Felix Sturm although I rank the Knife higher than most of John's recent opponents (not that Daud Yordan is that bad, but he was coming off a bad loss to Caballero). Both are longstanding champions that are willing to ride out their career in their home country.

IT's more complicated than that bro. He agreed to the purse and even the venue but TR viewed him as a high risk/low reward opponent so they backed out for a soft touch in Solis.. If Arum doesnt want it, then the fight isn't going to happen regardless of how badly the fighter wants it..

Gamboa has avoided a few fighters... For a guy who has been holding a title for as long as he has, his resume should look alot better than that. He's yet to be in a 50-50 fight but im not surprised cuz that's how Arum handles his fighters.. He babies them until that perfect fight comes up..

Gamboa is like Lucian Bute right now.. BOth held titles for awhile but they aren't fighting real threats..

Rios fight is just that right now.. talks... until he actually faces rios in the ring, i view him as a protected fighter.

Can you point me to a link that Arum didn't want Gamboa facing John?

I guess I probably overrate Gamboa in your estimation, but in my opinion the Lopez fight didn't happen because Top Rank thought of Lopez as the bigger attraction and knew he would be blasted out. The thought backfired when Lopez was blasted out by Salido. The same thing is happening here with Rios, I think Top Rank sees Rios as more marketable and is feeding Gamboa to him. That said, I don't see why Top Rank would avoid John. That doesn't make any sense at all to me. He didn't look invincible against Jaurez by any means especially in comparison with Gamboa.

I also don't understand why John hasn't faced anyone real in a while. That's my main issue with him. There are much better fights out there than Stanyslav Merdov.

Difference with Bute is that there isn't one available competitor that he hasn't faced that he should have faced. Do you get what I mean? There was a point where John, Gamboa, Lopez, and Caballero were all credible threats in the same division at the same time and not one fought each other. I understand there is more to it than that, but there are even more credible opponents for John besides Gamboa. Say what you want to say about Bute, but it's not like he has ducked anyone. He just hasn't had the chance to fight Andre Ward or Carl Froch yet. If the super six finishes and Bute fights Pavlik or something, what you say about him may be true.

[Tito BHB]

Of course he's protecting his record. He won't leave the Philippines and the people he fights are God awful. Throw him to Gamboa and it would be 1 very quick night! Chris John is just very average to me, decent chin, decent stamina, but speed? Power? The guy is nothing flashy at all.

Thats a guy that i specifically had in mind, when gamboa had a couple of titles and they wanted big names with belts for him John had been mentioned as an opponent, but that never came off and Gamboa continues to look for big fights and even had his own alphabets stripped so its less of a big fight for Yuriorkis even though i think they could still do it..

Another point when i first posted is that Chris John isnt getting any younger, i wonder if he keeps fighting on these smaller shows against lesser comp he might keep his record in tact for now but imo he is or has been geniune world class where he can hang at the top level, but if he doesnt keep his competition high he might have trouble next time he runs into a big money fight against a live fighter, so in the end it could be his un doing