Anyone else bored of 'racism' yet?

[Mark TKO]

yep bored to death of it

you can call people white, ginger, little, greasy, fat, skinny etc...etc.... but not black

in my office when people are describing someone who you may need to contact or find in in open plan office, some are afraid to say 'black guy' or 'black woman'. Pathetic

some poor woman got berated for using the term 'half cast' . Apparently thats not PC any more. Oh yes and I got bollocked for callinga type of music urban by a black female colleague who was into that scene. Like wtf ?!?!?

is tiger woods offended ? or just every other fucker ?

There are racist insults... which are no different to any other insults... And then there is genuine ignorance, which can actually more hurtfull. Especially when it is unwavering.

The term 'half cast' IS actually offensive Mark. Just the same as 'coloured'.

yes but it wasn't at one point then it was. when people hear it from older generations and use it don't blame them

[Master]

Race is socially constructed and we are all the same. Societies define and classify people in racial categories depending on their history and how they have handled immigration coming into their country. Therefore words and meaning change over 100 years ago Irish faced racism, then Jewish, then Caribbean, Indian etc So i would not get too upset about terminology changing.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

yep bored to death of it

you can call people white, ginger, little, greasy, fat, skinny etc...etc.... but not black

in my office when people are describing someone who you may need to contact or find in in open plan office, some are afraid to say 'black guy' or 'black woman'. Pathetic

some poor woman got berated for using the term 'half cast' . Apparently thats not PC any more. Oh yes and I got bollocked for callinga type of music urban by a black female colleague who was into that scene. Like wtf ?!?!?

is tiger woods offended ? or just every other fucker ?

There are racist insults... which are no different to any other insults... And then there is genuine ignorance, which can actually more hurtfull. Especially when it is unwavering.

The term 'half cast' IS actually offensive Mark. Just the same as 'coloured'.

yes but it wasn't at one point then it was. when people hear it from older generations and use it don't blame them

Blame who? You?
Are you stupid??

Of course it's always been offensive. No one has ever liked being called coloured or half cast and if they did it's because they were stupid.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

not true. It's evolved. Black, no coloured, no black, no african-this/that and the other.

You can't expect everyone you encounter to know your preferred preference.

[Gandalf]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

[Gandalf]

I think the term 'mongrel' is far more offensive for a mixed race child than 'half cast', but just simply saying mixed race child is probably more neutral with less historical connotations, but it is still essentially the same thing just tarted up in a different way.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

To be honest, you kinda Barking up the wrong tree... You have to know the origins of the term 'Half-Cast' to understand why it is offensive... Mongrel isn't even that offensive. Just stupid. We are all 'mongrel' in one way or another.

Fuck whatever Missy and Mark are talkin about, the younger generation have the right idea. Ignorance should never be accepted.

[Gandalf]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

To be honest, you kinda Barking up the wrong tree... You have to know the origins of the term 'Half-Cast' to understand why it is offensive... Mongrel isn't even that offensive. Just stupid. We are all 'mongrel' in one way or another.

Fuck whatever Missy and Mark are talkin about, the younger generation have the right idea. Ignorance should never be accepted.

So show me the history of the term 'half cast'. It is a term with exactly the same meaning as 'mixed race'. Maybe 100 years later 'mixed race' will be called out as being wrong. Mongrel is crude and revolting as it suggests dog like characteristics. It suggests less than human which 'half cast' never does. In that way half cast is more endearing and in all honesty is not particularly offensive anyway.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

To be honest, you kinda Barking up the wrong tree... You have to know the origins of the term 'Half-Cast' to understand why it is offensive... Mongrel isn't even that offensive. Just stupid. We are all 'mongrel' in one way or another.

Fuck whatever Missy and Mark are talkin about, the younger generation have the right idea. Ignorance should never be accepted.

So show me the history of the term 'half cast'. It is a term with exactly the same meaning as 'mixed race'. Maybe 100 years later 'mixed race' will be called out as being wrong. Mongrel is crude and revolting as it suggests dog like characteristics. It suggests less than human which 'half cast' never does. In that way half cast is more endearing and in all honesty is not particularly offensive anyway.

Lol, how would you know, your not mixed race

It's true though,maybe in a hundred years some dude will object to being called mixed race... I'm pretty sure most of those poor yank already do... Including Barrack Obama. But that is a preference of identity. You need to understand that the term half cast is insulting in its meaning and its social/ historical relevance, not in a simple discriptive sense. And like i said, mongrel can apply to everyone. Half cast is far more excluding.

[Beanz]

The thing with half cast is that once again it is correct. You have a black father and a white mother and then you have a child that is a mixture of those genetic types. To be called half whatever is just a definition of how one appears. They are not James Toney black and they are not Hitler white, they are quite definitely something inbetween and I see nothing negative in being able to describe someone's appearance.

Half cast might have negative connotations because of history, but you would do just as well to have another word, perhaps 'halfcolour' or the more politically correct 'people of half colour'. Well, that just sounds stupid, just call them half casts and educate society to become more tolerant of ethnic diversity which in many ways the UK is. Certainly much more so than somewhere like Korea.

To be honest, you kinda Barking up the wrong tree... You have to know the origins of the term 'Half-Cast' to understand why it is offensive... Mongrel isn't even that offensive. Just stupid. We are all 'mongrel' in one way or another.

Fuck whatever Missy and Mark are talkin about, the younger generation have the right idea. Ignorance should never be accepted.

So show me the history of the term 'half cast'. It is a term with exactly the same meaning as 'mixed race'. Maybe 100 years later 'mixed race' will be called out as being wrong. Mongrel is crude and revolting as it suggests dog like characteristics. It suggests less than human which 'half cast' never does. In that way half cast is more endearing and in all honesty is not particularly offensive anyway.

The Poet John Agard in talking about his poem Half-Caste

"This imposition of half, half, half on a person's total human complexity implies that some sort of 'purity' has been subverted. A child of mixed race is a tangible, loving expression of human beings from different cultural backgrounds getting together - that should be seen not as something threatening, but as something enriching..."
John Agard

Caste comes from the latin castus meaning pure. Prefixing pure with half automatically gives it a negative as though the person being described is less than pure. The history of the term is very different depending on which country in which it is used and is coined by the imperial conquering culture. In our case as Brits, the Empire. After the subjugation of commonwealth countries it started as a term to describe anyone of mixed race, not necessarily black and white . Your belief that it is "endearing" is perhaps ill-judged as for many it will carry connotations of condescension.

[0james0]

I actually find it a bit odd when on the radio they might describe a station as black music. I thinks it's too exclusive and quite demeaning. What exactly is black music?

That's national radio saying that.

I also find the MOBO awards weird, it's a really celebrated award, but only for music of black origin. I can't help but think that music of white origin award would be considered racist.

I also think that black people are now the least racially abused. Muslims and so on get it worse from all angles. Far more stereotyping.

[Andre]

I'm a connoisseur and instigator of black humor are our days numbered?

[Gandalf]

Well said James. I have never got the MOBO's eithers and people would find it weird to have an award celebrating only 'white' music.

Nonsense really.

[Mark TKO]

yes well said James - couldn't rep you as must have done so yesterday so I need to 'spread it around'....

[Mark TKO]

Blame who? You?
Are you stupid??

Of course it's always been offensive. No one has ever liked being called coloured or half cast and if they did it's because they were stupid.

well I just spoke to a London colleague who is early 50s from Jamaica and lived last 35 years south london. In her book it was acceptable to use till mid 90s and was the norm term - she doesn't even really find it offensive now but knows many of her family now do. See what I mean different interperations.

She's not stupid so I'm obviously stupid then - think we best lock this thread to be honest.