And down goes Vargas...

[Bookkeeper]

True, but these last two fights were no where near the level of a prime Vargas, this was not the same fighter who fought Tito and Oscar

Exactly - this was the true, fatass, good-but-not-great vargas, as opposed to the cheating, steroid Vargas of "prime." I admit that he's better with the juice.

Fighters that have brutal battles wash up quick, we can list plenty of them (David Reid, Meldric Taylor etc) it's how you respond to that, Fernando showed alot of heart throughout his career and he was at his best when he fought Trinidad, even though he lost he gave Tito hell. And he did not test positive for steriods in that fight. I am not a fan of his but I respect him and some of these comments written on this thread about him are bias. Before he fought Oscar and tested positive for steriods he had showed signs of slowing down against journeyman and that was three years ago, I can't believe a pair of losses at this stage of his career is so amazing to people. He put his career on the line at a young age against Tito and he came up short but at least he did not fade away like David Reid.

[outspoken]

He beat quartey, wright, and IMO he would of beating Moslety (1st) if not for cut

[shza]

He beat quartey, wright, and IMO he would of beating Moslety (1st) if not for cut

he didn't win the wright fight--the decision was gifted to him. and he was losing nearly every round in the first mosley fight--i don't understand how anyone thinks (a) that that fight was close or (b) that vargas actually could have won it if he hadn't gotten his forehead beaten so badly.

[drgoodlooking]

He beat quartey, wright, and IMO he would of beating Moslety (1st) if not for cut

[Bookkeeper]

He beat quartey, wright, and IMO he would of beating Moslety (1st) if not for cut

You really hate Vargas with a passion, at least give the man some kind of credit, he was a champion.