I think the judges in the Pacquiao Marquez fight proved judges are actuallyconsistent

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It's interesting to when you look back at some of the close fights that have been declared robberies in recent years. They often follow a similar pattern.

Hopkins vs Taylor 1 & 2
Hopkins vs Calzaghe
Frcoch vs Dirrell
Pacquaio vs Marquez 1,2,3
Toney vs Peter 1


All fights derided as robberies by many, all going to the guy who worked the hardest, either throwing the most punches or coming forward and pressuring.

Lederman homself spoke about this on Saturday night, in a close fight he ( a trained judge) will usually favour the guy throwing more.

It seems to me, that far from being robberies, the Marquez Pacquiao fights show that judges are pretty consistent on this. Each fight has had different judges, yet they all see the the fights the same way.

Same with the Hopkins Taylor fights.

If Marquez and Manny fought for a fourth time, and it was anther similar fight, and Manny squeeked out a decision, it's not a robbery, it's just a case of judges criteria being consistently applied.

It seems to me that judges criteria often differs with that a general fan. There are many fans who if they see a fighter throw 5 punches and four are blocked and the other guy throws 2 but one lands, they will score for the guy throwing less for being more accurate.

Aesthetically it is more pleasing, more efficient. But judges imo are correct to look at the total offensive output rather than how efficient the boxing is with his punches.

manny threw over a hundred more and landed 28 more. Sure, not as efficient, not as accurate. But he did more overall.

It's like a pole vaulter having two fouls and then breaking the world record on his final attempt versus a guy who three times vaults just 1 cm below the world record. Efficiency isn't necessarily going to win. Manny is more active, just as were the winners of all the above fights, and judges consistently voted in their favour, which actually shows that judging isn't as random as people think. Manny's win shows that the judges know what to look for and follow their training well.

100% agreed. Great observation. (I think I'm gonna make it as my sig. Lol)

The busier fighter with higher connect rate most of the time gets the judges vote. "they've been judging fights like that for years and years". I heard Lederman said that too.

Plus. When you're a challenger fighting in championship rounds.. you don't fucking get all relax and conservative.


"You don't win a championship, YOU TAKE IT!"

- Emmanuel Stewart

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I thought Pacquaio won it 115-113, but that was only after watching two rounds over again because they were close. I could agree with a draw as well. As far as Hopkins/Calzaghe is concerned, I will always believe Hopkins won that fight 115-112. Calzaghe may have thrown more punches, but a lot of them were little shots. Hopkins put Calzaghe on his ass once and outclassed him in power punches all night.