some ringside scoring

[captainanddew]

from ringtv.com



Lem Satterfield, Ringtv.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez

Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez

Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez

Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez

Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAREA.com: 116-113, Marquez

Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113, Marquez

Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

Norm Frauenheim, Boxing News - 24/7 - MMA News - UFC 115-113, Marquez

Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez

George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez

Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez

Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao

Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114

Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114

Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114

Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114

Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114

Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114

Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114



Looks like:
Marquez-12
Pacquiao-1
Draw-7

so 60% Marquez win, 5%-Pac win, 35% Draw
This isn't all the ringside scoring, as it is what ring magazine was able to get.

[Gandalf]

The writers are in alignment with the views of the forum posters. Only a few diehards and a couple of corrupt judges have Manny ahead. Anyone else with eyes and sense saw a Marquez win.

[captainanddew]

Lederman (ex-judge) and the official judges: 3 for Pac and 1 draw;

Boxing writers and the general public seem to be somewhat in line.

[fan johnny]

Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.

[captainanddew]

Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.

no offense but how would bias be a problem? It is a list of the scores of boxing writers ringside, and 90% of them on the list aren't from Ring.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.

what does the Ring being owned by GBP have to do with anything? Marquez is no longer a GBP fighter...if anything they still get paychecks from Manny's fights

[captainanddew]

Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.

what does the Ring being owned by GBP have to do with anything? Marquez is no longer a GBP fighter...if anything they still get paychecks from Manny's fights

The list obviously didn't include all ringside press, just those they could get the scores from. There are others who probably had Pac winning.

Dougie Fisher of ring-had it a draw
Steve Kim of Maxboxing had Marquez 115-113. There are alot of others. I just think even this small sample seems to show that the ringside press scored a draw or for Marquez a reasonably high % of the time.

I don't think the previous fights between the 2 had this much of the opinion of the ringside press going that much towards one fighter (Marquez). I think the other two fights it was much more even.

[Mars_ax]

The thing is, the 2 of the 3 Judges who really count had Pacquiao winning, the 3rd judge had it a draw.

By most accounts this seems to have been a close fight that could have gone either way. Remember after Frazier vs Ali I, how there was no shortage of people who thought Ali won?

[ElTerribleMorales]

The thing is, the 2 of the 3 Judges who really count had Pacquiao winning, the 3rd judge had it a draw.

By most accounts this seems to have been a close fight that could have gone either way. Remember after Frazier vs Ali I, how there was no shortage of people who thought Ali won?

but the scores that the judges that had Pacquiao winning were ridiculous, no way in God's green fucking earth did Marquez only win 4 rounds...

[captainanddew]

Lets all be honest. This wasn't a robbery. It was a close fight that more people thought Marquez won.

Judges-more often give the benefit of the doubt to the bigger name fighter (or hometown fighter in those scenarios). That is the nature of the sport.

While some judges reward aggression, that aggression isn't often rewarded against the bigger name fighter or hometown fighter.

Every time there is a decision and a fight is close (even between two prospects), I ask who is the bigger name (or hometown fighter). If you answer that question then a reasonably high % of the time you will pick the correct winner as that fighter will get the close decision.

[captainanddew]

Lets all be honest. This wasn't a robbery. It was a close fight that more people thought Marquez won.

Judges-more often give the benefit of the doubt to the bigger name fighter (or hometown fighter in those scenarios). That is the nature of the sport.

While some judges reward aggression, that aggression isn't often rewarded against the bigger name fighter or hometown fighter.

Every time there is a decision and a fight is close (even between two prospects), I ask who is the bigger name (or hometown fighter). If you answer that question then a reasonably high % of the time you will pick the correct winner as that fighter will get the close decision.

If you look at scorecards where an upset probably should have occurred and the bigger name fighter (or hometown fighter wins), you can often see the judges give that fighter way too much credit early in the fight.
The judge starts scoring rounds and if it is reasonably close he isn't going against the bigger name guy early in a fight.

Whether you thought Pac won or lost, to have Pac ahead on 2 scorecards after 6 rounds is ridiculous. Even most of the people who thought Pac won, had Pac coming on in the 2nd half of the fight.