"You Have to dominate the champion" - one of the dumbest sayings in boxing?

[Prosinecki]

Amen.

[:::PSL:::]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

[FinitoElDinamita]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

[ElTerribleMorales]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

don't even bother bro, words falling on deaf ears

[FinitoElDinamita]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

don't even bother bro, words falling on deaf ears

This dude needs to start paying you tutor fees but whatever..

[ElTerribleMorales]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

don't even bother bro, words falling on deaf ears

This dude needs to start paying you tutor fees but whatever..

i should write it off as charity, protect the Pactards foundation lol

[Andre]

If Pac was connecting like he should of been and if he did out punch Juan, I would expect Juan to end up looking more like Margarito after Pac had finished with him. I see Pac as the stronger man, but he gave away some of his usual commitment to the punch this time around. Either that or Juan was the more evasive and better skilled man on the night.

[:::PSL:::]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

Nope. I disagree.

The challenger must convincingly defeat the champ, hanging with Pac for 12 rounds and trading shots is not enough. You don’t win a fight just for hanging in there or for surviving. Manny threw over 100 more punches and connected with more. Add that to the fact that Marquez was backing up ALL FUCKING ROUNDS and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was. So No, IMO Marquez didn't try.

Close fight but a clear victory for Pac.

[ElTerribleMorales]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

Nope. I disagree.

The challenger must convincingly defeat the champ, hanging with Pac for 12 rounds and trading shots is not enough. You don’t win a fight just for hanging in there or for surviving. Manny threw over 100 more punches and connected with more. Add that to the fact that Marquez was backing up ALL FUCKING ROUNDS and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was. So No, IMO Marquez didn't try.

Close fight but a clear victory for Pac.

oh lord...Marquez is a FUCKING COUNTER PUNCHER, meaning he COUNTERS after his opponent throws ineffective shots land his own effective punches, for example the constant overhand rights raining in on the left side of Pacquiao's face, there is no way you're going to COUNTER if you're the one coming forward, and even using the punchstats as "evidence" who had the higher connect %? oh right Marquez, further proof that he picked his punches to land cleaner sharper punches throughout the night, if the guy in the red corner hadn't been Manny Fucking Pacquiao there wouldn't be so much "you have to take the title from the champion" bullshit

[:::PSL:::]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

Nope. I disagree.

The challenger must convincingly defeat the champ, hanging with Pac for 12 rounds and trading shots is not enough. You don’t win a fight just for hanging in there or for surviving. Manny threw over 100 more punches and connected with more. Add that to the fact that Marquez was backing up ALL FUCKING ROUNDS and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was. So No, IMO Marquez didn't try.

Close fight but a clear victory for Pac.

oh lord...Marquez is a FUCKING COUNTER PUNCHER, meaning he COUNTERS after his opponent throws ineffective shots land his own effective punches, for example the constant overhand rights raining in on the left side of Pacquiao's face, there is no way you're going to COUNTER if you're the one coming forward, and even using the punchstats as "evidence" who had the higher connect %? oh right Marquez, further proof that he picked his punches to land cleaner sharper punches throughout the night, if the guy in the red corner hadn't been Manny Fucking Pacquiao there wouldn't be so much "you have to take the title from the champion" bullshit

Maybe Marquez should mixed it up a bit. Be the aggressor and the counterpuncher.

'Ever heard of Nonito Donaire?

[ElTerribleMorales]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

Nope. I disagree.

The challenger must convincingly defeat the champ, hanging with Pac for 12 rounds and trading shots is not enough. You don’t win a fight just for hanging in there or for surviving. Manny threw over 100 more punches and connected with more. Add that to the fact that Marquez was backing up ALL FUCKING ROUNDS and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was. So No, IMO Marquez didn't try.

Close fight but a clear victory for Pac.

oh lord...Marquez is a FUCKING COUNTER PUNCHER, meaning he COUNTERS after his opponent throws ineffective shots land his own effective punches, for example the constant overhand rights raining in on the left side of Pacquiao's face, there is no way you're going to COUNTER if you're the one coming forward, and even using the punchstats as "evidence" who had the higher connect %? oh right Marquez, further proof that he picked his punches to land cleaner sharper punches throughout the night, if the guy in the red corner hadn't been Manny Fucking Pacquiao there wouldn't be so much "you have to take the title from the champion" bullshit

Maybe Marquez should mixed it up a bit. Be the aggressor and the counterpuncher.

'Ever heard of Nonito Donaire?

yea the guy nowhere near Marquez' level, and it's easy to mix it up the way Donaire does when he beats up on a guy who's not fighting back, unless you're really comparing fighting Manny Pacquiao to fighting Narvaez

[Beanflicker]

and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was.

Here is another notion I hate: scoring rounds to the "aggressor". Being an aggressor doesn't mean anything, it's being an "effective aggressor" that wins fights.

Manny is usually an effective aggressor because he pushes the pace and LANDS PUNCHES. Hitting your opponent = effective.

Tex Cobb was the "aggressor" against Larry Holmes. Watch that fight and tell me who you think won.

When you are pushing the pace, but getting raked with counter punches, what good does that do you?

[Manos de Piedra]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

Nope. I disagree.

The challenger must convincingly defeat the champ, hanging with Pac for 12 rounds and trading shots is not enough. You don’t win a fight just for hanging in there or for surviving. Manny threw over 100 more punches and connected with more. Add that to the fact that Marquez was backing up ALL FUCKING ROUNDS and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was. So No, IMO Marquez didn't try.

Close fight but a clear victory for Pac.

According to your criteria, especially the one in bold, Marquez should have got the win against pac in their 1st and 2nd fights. Marquez was champion and he out landed pac, there were close rounds which he should have been given because he's champ.

But in reality Pac got the wins because he makes more money for the crooks.

[:::PSL:::]

You don't have to dominate the champion,... BUT AT LEAST TRY.

In your feeble eyes, Marquez didnt try? lol Stop exposing yourself further..

I know you are simple minded but one doesnt have to move forward all the time to indicate that they are trying.

Marquez is a counter puncher and he implemented his style better than Pacman did..

Nope. I disagree.

The challenger must convincingly defeat the champ, hanging with Pac for 12 rounds and trading shots is not enough. You don’t win a fight just for hanging in there or for surviving. Manny threw over 100 more punches and connected with more. Add that to the fact that Marquez was backing up ALL FUCKING ROUNDS and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was. So No, IMO Marquez didn't try.

Close fight but a clear victory for Pac.

According to your criteria, especially the one in bold, Marquez should have got the win against pac in their 1st and 2nd fights. Marquez was champion and he out landed pac, there were close rounds which he should have been given because he's champ.

But in reality Pac got the wins because he makes more money for the crooks.

KD counts. And Pac scored multiple KDs during those fights.

Mimascaras, Eltirreble. Get a room you two.

[badr_hari]

I am sure if Marquez knocked him out, they would come up with something like "Knocking out the champion is not enough, you have to take that belt......(and some crap after that)"