Muscle Memory

[Scrap]

Theres no such thing, your thoughts

[Joao]

Sure there is.

Cant be sure about boxing since i dont practise it for long enough to give an educated opinion but i suppose it is valid for boxing as it is valid for other things in life where im sure i've taken advantage of muscle memory.


As for combat sports, i practised karate for 14 years and while practising for kumite(combat competitions) we used to practise counter situations, how to react when your opponent throws a specific punch or kick to you and we practised till exhaustion. After months of that, one would react to said puch in the way he trained to do without the need of thinking about it, cause your body rebembers how to react to it(or so i believe).


Another example, tricking, which most of you probably dont know what it is, but it is basicly a blend of martial arts and gymnastics. i did it for a while with some friends just for fun and there are lots of "tricks" that require flipping and spinning. takes forever to learn, yet, once your body memorizes it you can go half an year without doing it and yet you will probably nail it in your first try doing after the hiatus(experienced this myself after i tore my ACL).


Same with playing guitar in which sometimes you dont quite remember a song you used to play a lot and havent for a long time, but once you begin to play it without thinking too much your fingers start moving on their own.


And there are countless other examples, and im pretty sure the same principles can be apllied to boxing if there is any need for it.



Now, this is just my humble opinion, and i would love to hear your take on this matter Scrap. Why do you think there is no such thing as muscle memory?

[Gocougars3]

Theres no such thing, your thoughts

Agree, only our brains can tell our muscles what to do. From what I have read, voluntary movements are controlled by the brain and involuntary movements originate in the brain.

[Scrap]

What Gocouger says, Joao

[WayneFlint]

Id say the heart could be much more involved in movement than most think and may be proven to be in future. a man suddenly has a heart transplant, hes never knitted a stitch before in his life, suddenly he has the urge to knitt complex stitchwork hes never done before, numerous times a day. this is happening in heart transplant patients all over the world, patients doing things THEY have never done before, but the heart has. I dont believe all movement comes from the brain.

[WayneFlint]

I just know movement is more involved with the heart, i feel it deep down, all my time spent as a practisioner of martial arts since i was young, ive always enjoyed the movements, liked to display what i could do to others, i think this has always helped me in picking up any sort of martial art, the passion for unarmed combat and movements, the want to entertain. movements that involve combat if you will, now i try to do somthing using motor functions wise that im not interested in, and im a totally different person, show me how to handle a jig-saw and ill lose a finger, the best meal i can cook is beans on toast or chips and chicken nuggets lol.

[Joao]

oh, i see! we got lost in translation then haha. the discussion was not about doubting the existence of muscle memory but what we understand as muscle memory. In that case yes, i still say that it does exist as i stated on all my examples but of course the information would be stored in your brain(which is only logical since your muscles wont move unless they are electricly stimulated by the nerves, stimulation that begins in the brain).

[Scrap]

Well does it come from the Brain, the Spark or in other words, the Human Electro Magnetic Field, .

[Andre]

People who are brain dead dont move. But their heart does and their body knows how to go on!

They may well have full conscious awareness though (of whats happening around them) even though they are physically to the eye unconscious.

Like when people explain their whole operation from the view behind the surgeon.

One possibility: Wouldnt muscle memory be locked in dna and rna and those physical attributes are passed on ? Within it maybe some ancestor memory that can be utilized in certain situations.

In regards to the heart being just a muscle or a pump, I think it is so much more and it stores and releases bigger energies than we mentally can comprehend but the mind is the bridge between electric light force energy and electromagnetic love energy.

At the end of the day if the eletric thought pathways from the brain are severed you arent going to be able to consously link the electromagnetic love together into physcial action. The two working alone just dont cut the mustard physically. So finding balance between want, love feelings and thoughts, action I think is the key to free flowing energy direction. If you overthink a situation you are stifling one, if you over feel a situation you stifle the other. I think the fine line is emotion and our mental control of it through belife (like how some people freeze in fear and others excel in fear.) You cant act free flowing in a balanced way if your foundations are not counter balanced by you.

[Scrap]

EMF comes from the Heart

[Gocougars3]

People who are brain dead dont move. But their heart does and their body knows how to go on!

They may well have full conscious awareness though (of whats happening around them) even though they are physically to the eye unconscious.

Like when people explain their whole operation from the view behind the surgeon.

One possibility: Wouldnt muscle memory be locked in dna and rna and those physical attributes are passed on ? Within it maybe some ancestor memory that can be utilized in certain situations.

In regards to the heart being just a muscle or a pump, I think it is so much more and it stores and releases bigger energies than we mentally can comprehend but the mind is the bridge between electric light force energy and electromagnetic love energy.

At the end of the day if the eletric thought pathways from the brain are severed you arent going to be able to consously link the electromagnetic love together into physcial action. The two working alone just dont cut the mustard physically. So finding balance between want, love feelings and thoughts, action I think is the key to free flowing energy direction. If you overthink a situation you are stifling one, if you over feel a situation you stifle the other. I think the fine line is emotion and our mental control of it through belife (like how some people freeze in fear and others excel in fear.) You cant act free flowing in a balanced way if your foundations are not counter balanced by you.

We are on a slightly different topic but I like your post.

What I took out of Scrap's post was a reminder we have to think properly about punching, slipping, countering, etc. The brain may also help us react, without conscious intent but to believe we can operate mindlessly is, for lack of a better word, mindless.

What I took from your post was an interesting synopsis of blending emotional and mental qualities. So many coaches, books, whatever, are either from the "clear your head" school others are pure "motivators" (appealing to emotion and adrenaline), a few ask us to think (I think pattern searching is the key element to a great boxer). I think you are right about finding a balance.

Granted, I could be misunderstanding both of you, one of you or neither.

[Scrap]

Im playing Devils Advocate, are thoughts are similar, was discussing this last week at the Uni, with Sports Scientist. Ive brought it in here, to see what you lot think, Im still Open, like Andres slant, it interests me.

[Andre]

People who are brain dead dont move. But their heart does and their body knows how to go on!

They may well have full conscious awareness though (of whats happening around them) even though they are physically to the eye unconscious.

Like when people explain their whole operation from the view behind the surgeon.

One possibility: Wouldnt muscle memory be locked in dna and rna and those physical attributes are passed on ? Within it maybe some ancestor memory that can be utilized in certain situations.

In regards to the heart being just a muscle or a pump, I think it is so much more and it stores and releases bigger energies than we mentally can comprehend but the mind is the bridge between electric light force energy and electromagnetic love energy.

At the end of the day if the eletric thought pathways from the brain are severed you arent going to be able to consously link the electromagnetic love together into physcial action. The two working alone just dont cut the mustard physically. So finding balance between want, love feelings and thoughts, action I think is the key to free flowing energy direction. If you overthink a situation you are stifling one, if you over feel a situation you stifle the other. I think the fine line is emotion and our mental control of it through belife (like how some people freeze in fear and others excel in fear.) You cant act free flowing in a balanced way if your foundations are not counter balanced by you.

We are on a slightly different topic but I like your post.

What I took out of Scrap's post was a reminder we have to think properly about punching, slipping, countering, etc. The brain may also help us react, without conscious intent but to believe we can operate mindlessly is, for lack of a better word, mindless.

What I took from your post was an interesting synopsis of blending emotional and mental qualities. So many coaches, books, whatever, are either from the "clear your head" school others are pure "motivators" (appealing to emotion and adrenaline), a few ask us to think (I think pattern searching is the key element to a great boxer). I think you are right about finding a balance.

Granted, I could be misunderstanding both of you, one of you or neither.

You got me right.

Yeah I was thinking up the mind verses heart thing and where memory serves us in each regarding action and reaction. Automated response etc. But once the electric link or conscious thought is broken theres no bringing it all into physical action.

I am never on track, always entertaining myself with maybes and what ifs.

[Andre]

Forgot to ask, which muscle? I got one that seems to do allot of my thinking for me.

[LordAnon]

Don't know if it's on the same subject has muscle memory, but what about a chicken running/flocking/etc after his head got cut off?