Re: Do you ever doubt God's existence?

[Mars_ax]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

[VictorCharlie]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.

[Mars_ax]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.

I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.

BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".

http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

[Andre]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.

I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.

BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".

Did Jesus exist?

The reason you cant find him by that name is because it wasnt his birth name.
(Some dick heads changed it).

It was Hebrew for a start well Aramaic then Hebrew.

[Mars_ax]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.

I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.

BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".

Did Jesus exist?

The reason you cant find him by that name is because it wasnt his birth name.
(Some dick heads changed it).

It was Hebrew for a start well Aramaic then Hebrew.

It's not just the name Andre, I believe the "Jesus" character in the New Testament is pure fiction.

[Andre]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.

I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.

BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".

Did Jesus exist?

The reason you cant find him by that name is because it wasnt his birth name.
(Some dick heads changed it).

It was Hebrew for a start well Aramaic then Hebrew.

It's not just the name Andre, I believe the "Jesus" character in the New Testament is pure fiction.

I too believe that the story is now changed and totally wrong and fiction but for the reason of deception.

I know the character you speak of, and he didnt get all the deep wisdom that is hidden within some scripture just from the Emerald tablet of Thoth Hermes. The deeper wisdom through love was actually lived out and written down.
Unfortunately it (like scripture) and the first movement, was got to and it is still being controlled as are the masses through it. So to call it all bullshit from an analytical point I dont blame you at all.
But I digress.

Its a hell of a subject :-)

[VictorCharlie]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.

I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.

BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".

Did Jesus exist?

I dont' really have a dog in this fight but lets be serious for a minute. Regardless of your beliefs just about every single Christian, Muslim and Jew believe that Jesus was an actual man that walked this Earth. That is an overwhelming majority of the planets population that believe in his mere existence. Foregone conclusion? Maybe not and I don't know that that there will ever be but Jesus is definitely winning the popularity vote.

[Mars_ax]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

I get not believing Jesus was the son of god but history is pretty set that a man named Jesus of Nazareth did in fact walk the Earth and was crucified.

I've done a lot of research on the actual existence of Jesus, the reality is, his alleged existence isn't even close to becoming a forgone conclusion. My guess is Jesus was a composite of rabbis/holy-men that festered during that period in history. One thing that is certain, the "Jesus" character described in the "New Testament", written 50 to 300 years after his alleged death by unknown authors, is pure religious fiction and/or a holy fairytale.

BTW, Nazareth might not have even existed during the time "Jesus" was alleged to have "walked the earth".

Did Jesus exist?

I dont' really have a dog in this fight but lets be serious for a minute. Regardless of your beliefs just about every single Christian, Muslim and Jew believe that Jesus was an actual man that walked this Earth. That is an overwhelming majority of the planets population that believe in his mere existence. Foregone conclusion? Maybe not and I don't know that that there will ever be but Jesus is definitely winning the popularity vote.

Being serious: this is an "argument from numbers" typically called ad populum, or an appeal to popularity. Since most people in general believe jesus existed, and most Christians, Muslims and Jews believe that Jesus was an actual man who walked this Earth, it therefore only makes sense that jesus existed, literally and historically. Millions also believed that the earth was flat, or that the earth was the center of the Universe, does that make it a fact? I think not.

Billions past and present believe that "Jesus" was the "son of god", a man, or a man-god that actually existed. There is however a large number of secular theologians and biblical scholars (including me) who've found "Jesus" to be historically non-existent.

When it comes to "Jesus" and the "New Testament", I take all that happy horseshit with a grain of salt, read and learn:

http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

[Scrap]

Mars Ex, for Mans Thumb to be as it is took 4million years to develope, to what it is. They are finding things, Artifacts 200 million years old. Also the Footprint was of a man Humanoid 9 ft tall, in tests it was proved thats what it was, also finding numerous others, we dont know half of it

[Andre]

Mars Ex, for Mans Thumb to be as it is took 4million years to develope, to what it is. They are finding things, Artifacts 200 million years old. Also the Footprint was of a man Humanoid 9 ft tall, in tests it was proved thats what it was, also finding numerous others, we dont know half of it

So much more that is beyond mental comprehension.
In the scale of ourselves to the Universe we are millions times smaller than a microbe is to us! And yet people think "they know" that there is no others out there and the same team of thinkers also claim there is no intelligence behind the balance and timing.They cannot see that there are other balances and other timings out there and within.

People who have insight go within on their search and they find something that people who can only look outwards claim isnt there.
'As above so below' were the wisest words ever written on Earth(For an inquisitive mind).
You get what you look for and you choose your own point of view and the direction you lok in and which way you head;so against the bible and other crap including controlled materialistic thought only; We all do our own saving by our own direction and actions, no one else is magically coming to do it for us whether we believe in them or not.
This is the truth that allows material thinkers to justify it against the false church of man and its changed writings. Those types who run a huge percentage of the worlds people through both man made religions do so for material gain and power over others, so they hide the real truth from all.
Trouble is, the real way has now been blocked twice in two directions, they have been very smart.

[VictorCharlie]

"There is however a large number of secular theologians and biblical scholars (including me) who've found "Jesus" to be historically non-existent." What exactly is a large number? Whatever that number is, is it also safe to say that an even larger number believe him to have actually existed? I'm no self proclaimed expert on this topic but it would seem that if more secular theologians and biblical scholars believed that then it would be a more widely held belief versus a small percentage and even more so in the intellectual circles. I'm agnostic and have done a fair amount of reading from both sides of the street on Christianity and Jesus particularly and can't say I've read a book from the secular side denying he even existed. I've read a lot with differing opinions on the details and timeline of his life but none that out and out denied him to even have existed. To believe he never lived is to then believe that he was created by a group of people as a imaginary figure head that then spawned one of the largest religions in history. More so that the authors of all the letters written to the different churches of the day chronicling his life were complicit in the fraud. I think it is rather easy to dismiss a man for the lack of record of his life when his familiarity came well after his death. Not to mention its not like we can head over to a public records depository from 2k years ago and furthermore that there is no records of probably more 99% of the people that lived and died during the time Jesus was supposed to be alive. Dismissing the beliefs of the Muslim and Jewish religions acknowledgement of Jesus as simply a popularity vote fails to take into account that they more than anyone would benefit from factual proof that he never walked this Earth and state it daily. IMHO it almost takes more of a degree of faith to believe that the man that spawned one of the largest religions in the world was actually just a conspiracy created by a group of people than to even acknowledge he did in fact walk this Earth at one point.

[Mars_ax]

"There is however a large number of secular theologians and biblical scholars (including me) who've found "Jesus" to be historically non-existent." What exactly is a large number? Whatever that number is, is it also safe to say that an even larger number believe him to have actually existed? I'm no self proclaimed expert on this topic but it would seem that if more secular theologians and biblical scholars believed that then it would be a more widely held belief versus a small percentage and even more so in the intellectual circles. I'm agnostic and have done a fair amount of reading from both sides of the street on Christianity and Jesus particularly and can't say I've read a book from the secular side denying he even existed. I've read a lot with differing opinions on the details and timeline of his life but none that out and out denied him to even have existed. To believe he never lived is to then believe that he was created by a group of people as a imaginary figure head that then spawned one of the largest religions in history. More so that the authors of all the letters written to the different churches of the day chronicling his life were complicit in the fraud. I think it is rather easy to dismiss a man for the lack of record of his life when his familiarity came well after his death. Not to mention its not like we can head over to a public records depository from 2k years ago and furthermore that there is no records of probably more 99% of the people that lived and died during the time Jesus was supposed to be alive. Dismissing the beliefs of the Muslim and Jewish religions acknowledgement of Jesus as simply a popularity vote fails to take into account that they more than anyone would benefit from factual proof that he never walked this Earth and state it daily. IMHO it almost takes more of a degree of faith to believe that the man that spawned one of the largest religions in the world was actually just a conspiracy created by a group of people than to even acknowledge he did in fact walk this Earth at one point.

Charlie, my argument is, there's virtually no secular historical evidence confirming that the jesus depicted in the "gospels" and/or New Testament is anything other than a fabricated character in a religious text/novel. Frankly, I couldn't give a fuck less, what christians, muslims, jews, or anyone else chooses to believe, I don't buy any of that bullshit.