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Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
Sigh.

OK I insist Jesus really did exist.

Exhibit 1, Please disprove this at your own leisure.

Tactius, the greatest Roman historian mentioned him in his Annals.
I never claimed that Tacitus lived 300 years after Jesus, it is not my belief. It is like i said when your Christian church was formed, completely and utterly disproving your claim that the church arose immediately following this Jesus death
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from your quoted reference on Tacitus

Scholars have also debated the issue of hearsay in the reference by Tacitus. Charles Guignebert argued that "So long as there is that possibility [that Tacitus is merely echoing what Christians themselves were saying], the passage remains quite worthless".[44] R. T. France states that the Tacitus passage is at best just Tacitus repeating what he had heard through Christians

Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

as for Josephus

The Antiquities of the Jews survives only in medieval copies. The manuscripts, the oldest of which dates from the 11th century, are all Greek minuscules, and all have been copied by Christian monks

Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you still haven't answered the question

"Tacitus, the Roman historian's birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a "Christus" in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus' mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay accounts."

Amazing how christian apologists point to a brief mention by Tacitus, of a "Christus" in his Annals well after the alleged life of Jesus as definitive secular proof of his existence. I reckon when you're grasping at straws it's the best you can do.

Did Jesus exist?