Froch vs. Ward - Saturday fight/chat thread

[NuthaPug]

Ward deserves the respect. He proved himself in the ring, and everything he said after the fight was just fine - just as humble (if not quite as humbled) as Froch.

Got a crop of haters who aren't looking straight here. No surprise ...

[Gandalf]

Ward deserves the respect. He proved himself in the ring, and everything he said after the fight was just fine - just as humble (if not quite as humbled) as Froch.

Got a crop of haters who aren't looking straight here. No surprise ...

Ward won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.

I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.

[NuthaPug]

Ward deserves the respect. He proved himself in the ring, and everything he said after the fight was just fine - just as humble (if not quite as humbled) as Froch.

Got a crop of haters who aren't looking straight here. No surprise ...

Ward won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.

I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.

Well if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.

Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.

I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."

You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.

As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.

Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.

[CFH]

Ward deserves the respect. He proved himself in the ring, and everything he said after the fight was just fine - just as humble (if not quite as humbled) as Froch.

Got a crop of haters who aren't looking straight here. No surprise ...

Ward won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.

I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.

Well if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.

Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.

I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."

You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.

As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.

Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.

Ward is a douche. He's a total douchebag, but he's also one of the top three fighters in the world.

I can't stand the guy and listening to him spew all his arrogant religious bullshit drives me crazy, but he's not likely to lose for a long time.

[Gandalf]

Ward deserves the respect. He proved himself in the ring, and everything he said after the fight was just fine - just as humble (if not quite as humbled) as Froch.

Got a crop of haters who aren't looking straight here. No surprise ...

Ward won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.

I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.

Well if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.

Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.

I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."

You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.

As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.

Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.

No, it isn't intelligent criticism to say that you don't enjoy a fighters style nor enjoy their post fight babble. It is just an opinion and it is valid on its own terms.

I responded to your post as it was earlier suggested (by another poster) that I hate American fighters and it is just blatantly untrue. I seem to get called a hater quite a lot and on the whole don't think it is hate to criticize a fighters style or what they say. You like what you like and it is typically something that connects with you in some way.

I certainly don't hate Ward, I just find him dull. I for one have no desire to see any fighter in a coma either. I can't take it that seriously. That's really nasty talk.

[CFH]

Ward deserves the respect. He proved himself in the ring, and everything he said after the fight was just fine - just as humble (if not quite as humbled) as Froch.

Got a crop of haters who aren't looking straight here. No surprise ...

Ward won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.

I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.

Well if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.

Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.

I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."

You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.

As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.

Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.

No, it isn't intelligent criticism to say that you don't enjoy a fighters style nor enjoy their post fight babble. It is just an opinion and it is valid on its own terms.

I responded to your post as it was earlier suggested (by another poster) that I hate American fighters and it is just blatantly untrue. I seem to get called a hater quite a lot and on the whole don't think it is hate to criticize a fighters style or what they say. You like what you like and it is typically something that connects with you in some way.

I certainly don't hate Ward, I just find him dull. I for one have no desire to see any fighter in a coma either. I can't take it that seriously. That's really nasty talk.

It's just a figure of speech. As violent as the sport is, no fan actually wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. It's just entertainment at the end of the day.

[Gandalf]

Ward deserves the respect. He proved himself in the ring, and everything he said after the fight was just fine - just as humble (if not quite as humbled) as Froch.

Got a crop of haters who aren't looking straight here. No surprise ...

Ward won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.

I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.

Well if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.

Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.

I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."

You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.

As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.

Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.

No, it isn't intelligent criticism to say that you don't enjoy a fighters style nor enjoy their post fight babble. It is just an opinion and it is valid on its own terms.

I responded to your post as it was earlier suggested (by another poster) that I hate American fighters and it is just blatantly untrue. I seem to get called a hater quite a lot and on the whole don't think it is hate to criticize a fighters style or what they say. You like what you like and it is typically something that connects with you in some way.

I certainly don't hate Ward, I just find him dull. I for one have no desire to see any fighter in a coma either. I can't take it that seriously. That's really nasty talk.

It's just a figure of speech. As violent as the sport is, no fan actually wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. It's just entertainment at the end of the day.

Totally. Even my Khan posts these days are extremely tongue in cheek. It makes me laugh when people take me seriously. I guess that's the price I pay for being serious in one thread and then suddenly being flippant in another. Just boxing at the end of the day.

[NuthaPug]

It's just a figure of speech. As violent as the sport is, no fan actually wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. It's just entertainment at the end of the day.

Of course it is a figure of speech, and I didn't think differently when I read it. But it's ugly anyway, in a sport where it could happen all too easily.

Even understanding that it wasn't meant literally, the comment is just one example among quite a few. Ward isn't much liked by a lot of people here. And the dislike has a bit of energy to it.

Really the only point I was trying to make. I don't think he's that hard to take.

[OumaFan]

The Son of God shit is beyond annoying but I'm in a total disconnect with a lot of people on his entertainment value.

I'm never bored in his fights. He's an exciting fighter IMO

I have no issue with relentless hate though. I hate Wlad as much as Canadians love Nickelback.

[CFH]

It's just a figure of speech. As violent as the sport is, no fan actually wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. It's just entertainment at the end of the day.

Of course it is a figure of speech, and I didn't think differently when I read it. But it's ugly anyway, in a sport where it could happen all too easily.

Even understanding that it wasn't meant literally, the comment is just one example among quite a few. Ward isn't much liked by a lot of people here. And the dislike has a bit of energy to it.

Really the only point I was trying to make. I don't think he's that hard to take.

People seem split on him. I think he's a very talented fighter, but he's also very dirty. I don't think his fights have been that entertaining, but they're not that entertaining in the same way that Mayweather's aren't - they're completely one-sided. It's always impressive watching Ward fight, but he's just so much better than everyone he's fought so far that there is very little intrigue.

I don't really mind his fighting style (at least not anymore than I might someone like Hopkins), it's mostly his personality that grates on me.

[NuthaPug]

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No, it isn't intelligent criticism to say that you don't enjoy a fighters style nor enjoy their post fight babble. It is just an opinion and it is valid on its own terms.

I responded to your post as it was earlier suggested (by another poster) that I hate American fighters and it is just blatantly untrue. I seem to get called a hater quite a lot and on the whole don't think it is hate to criticize a fighters style or what they say. You like what you like and it is typically something that connects with you in some way.

I certainly don't hate Ward, I just find him dull. I for one have no desire to see any fighter in a coma either. I can't take it that seriously. That's really nasty talk.

Good response.

Yes, we watch and enjoy boxing on a subjective level, and there's nothing wrong with that. I haven't seen enough of Ward to know what is so irritating to people. Thought he did good work tonight. But I like watching Mayweather and Hopkins. And I like chess. So plodding and thoughtful isn't too boring for me.

There were a couple rounds where Ward really pushed Froch around. As i said in another post, I kept looking for another punch or two on the end of Ward's combinations. It would have made for a more impressive and outstanding fight. But maybe he knew best when he had to stop throwing and cover.

at any rate, he was convincing. I agree with suggestions that had this gone 15 rounds, we may have seen a different outcome. Ward was tuckered rounds 11 and 12.