The greatest fighter in the original 8 weight classes?

[Gocougars3]

You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.

[Vano-irons]

You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.

Unfortunately boxing doesn't really work like that. Sometimes, certain fighters just other fighter's number. Ken norton for instance probably beat Ali twice in their 3 encounters, but it doesn't necessarily make him a greater fighter. Same thing with Marquez - Pacquiao. The Mexican has a good case for beating Manny all three times, but Pacquiao is the far greater fighter

[Gocougars3]

You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.

Unfortunately boxing doesn't really work like that. Sometimes, certain fighters just other fighter's number. Ken norton for instance probably beat Ali twice in their 3 encounters, but it doesn't necessarily make him a greater fighter. Same thing with Marquez - Pacquiao. The Mexican has a good case for beating Manny all three times, but Pacquiao is the far greater fighter

I am not just basing my comment about Saddler on his wins with Pep. He had great technique, he was huge for his weight class, he was very powerful and he was vicious. They are both all time greats.

I am not sure about Manny being far greater than Marquez either although I think Manny will be far more competitive with Mayweather if they ever fight.

[outspoken]

You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.

Unfortunately boxing doesn't really work like that. Sometimes, certain fighters just other fighter's number. Ken norton for instance probably beat Ali twice in their 3 encounters, but it doesn't necessarily make him a greater fighter. Same thing with Marquez - Pacquiao. The Mexican has a good case for beating Manny all three times, but Pacquiao is the far greater fighter

I am not just basing my comment about Saddler on his wins with Pep. He had great technique, he was huge for his weight class, he was very powerful and he was vicious. They are both all time greats.

I am not sure about Manny being far greater than Marquez either although I think Manny will be far more competitive with Mayweather if they ever fight.

you both made valid points sometimes you can beat a fighter and still have the lesser career... but i agree that pacquiao is not that much greater than marquez.

[Vano-irons]

I feel Pacquiao's resume is far greater than Marquez's (who is one of my favourites). MAB, Morales, Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Margo. These are all extremely good wins for a prime featherweight.

I have Manny top 30 All Time. Marquez probably gets in the top 100

[generalbulldog]

Pacquiao is that much greater than Marquez based on resumes. JMM while a great fighter but he's more known for his fights with Pacquiao than his own achievements. Pacquiao on the other hand is known more for his acheivements than his fights with JMM.

Pacquiao is the only 4 time lineal champ in history and 1 of 5 teenage lineal champions also in the history of the sport.

[BIG H]

Here's what I've got so far....

Heavy

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Foreman
Tyson

(Then any from Lewis, Frazier, Holyfield, Liston, Marciano, Dempsey & Johnson)

Light Heavy

Archie Moore
Billy Conn
Ezzard Charles
Roy Jones Jr
Michael Spinks
Jimmy Bivins
Bob Foster
Harold Johnson
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Maxie Rosenbloom
Tiger Jack Fox


Middleweight

1. Marvin Hagler
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Harry Greb
4 Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Mickey Walker
6. Charley Burley
7 Bernard Hopkins
8 Stanley Ketchel
9. Marcel Cerdan
10 Tony Zale

Lightweight

1. Roberto Duran
2. Benny Leonard
3. Tony Canzoneri
4. Joe Gans
5. Ike Williams
6. Alexis Arguello (Greatest Super Feather of all time)
7 Beau Jack
8. Julio Cesar Chavez (All time p4per, but best years at +130
9. Carlos Ortiz
10. Lou Ambers

[THE THIRD MAN]

You guys both know boxing and I like your lists but Pep was not better than Saddler. He was a beautiful boxer and did so many incredible things in the ring but Saddler was too much for him and therefore better.

Some fighters had their nemesis, Saddler was definitely Pep's. Norton gave Ali problems, De Jesus always gave Duran headaches, Harada beat Jofre both times, Herrera beat Olivares twice, Monzon had trouble with Valdez, DLH with Mosley and Pacquaio has trouble with Marquez.