I remember Toney, shooting his mouth off on tv against Benn,
you can see why he was never Mr popular,what a horrible
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I remember Toney, shooting his mouth off on tv against Benn,
you can see why he was never Mr popular,what a horrible
individual.![]()
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The guy has skills and the fight game comes natural to him. Great defense, made it look easy. Tough guy with a great chin but no discipline.
Toney beats Hopkins. Hagler beats Toney in a tough close fight with great inside fighting and great chins. I'm not too sure on how Toney would do against Calzaghe's work rate, but I lean toward Calzaghe's work rate to get him a close decision.
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Beautiful fighter to watch in his prime. Harder on the eyes in his big man pomp, but still winning all the rounds. One of my favourite fighters.
But Calzaghe against Toney and it's the same old story. Toney is going to get outworked something rotten. Toney at his best can take Hagler, but it depends on which one shows up. The sloppy ones have no chance.
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There is no way Toney could have kept up with the pressure and workrate of the Marvelous one .![]()
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James Toney would have lost to quite a few past greats, but would have beaten a few greats also, going from MW to HW is just amazing , great fighter ?
Yes Mr Toney you are a great.
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People are seriously overrating Hagler or underrating Toney cuz a hagler victory aint no foregone conclusion but from the looks of it, seems like people are automatically putting one over the other.. It's like how dudes assume Ray Robinson would beat Ray Leonard just because of the aura that the former fighter has..
Assuming this is the best version of Toney VS the best of Hagler, I go with Toney....
Toney imo doesn't like fleet footed opponents who give him alot of movements and Hagler sure doesn't fit that mold.. Toney is at his best when guys come at him and dudes get picked apart in that situation.. This is Toney's zone and Hagler would play right into it..
Forget about a freakin Knockout cuz Hagler punches aint gonna do shit to Toney.. he'd probably laugh it off...
The fight would take place alot from the midrange and on the inside and nobody's beating Toney in that area.. Not even hagler..
Toney > Hagler
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I'll stack up the list of Hagler's opponents against the list of Toney's opponents any day of the week. No comparison. You think Hagler's overrated and Toney's underrated.... I think totally the opposite. Never could understand people's being so enamoured of this Toney dude. 'Bout the only amazing thing he did was go from MW to HW, albeit a blubbery, shit-talking, slurring HW.... but he still managed to hang with some of the mediocre HW's in the division at the time. Two fighters I could never understand the big deal were James Toney and Riddick Bowe. Lots of similarities there. What was Toney's biggest scalp? Michael "Second to" Nunn? Pleeeease, spare me. Hagler fought better competition in a 2-3 year stretch than all Toney's opponents put together.
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I think you could also argue that someone like Calzaghe would play right into Toney's hands by presenting him with a wealth of countering opportunities. I could see Toney walking right through Calzaghe's flurries, taking away his work rate away with sharp right hands, and beating him on the cards.
Toney is an all time great. Him, Hopkins and Jones are just about the last of the all time greats still fighting, Holyfield aside.
I really think Toney would time Calzaghe and put him on his ass. Maybe even KO him. Toney fought a lot better competition and carried one punch power at that weight.
"You knocked him down...now how bout you try knockin me down ?"
James Toney only got outworked when he wasn't interested, and lazy like against Dave Tiberi. For example a Southpaw who liked to throw flurries, who was even more talented than Joe Calzaghe aka Michael Nunn he was able to KO him impressively.
Didn't he also deal with relentless pressure from a big Cruiserweight like Vassiliy Jirov ? so i don't see Joe Calzaghe just winning on workrate, against a prime interested James Toney no way in hell.
James Toney would be rolling with those flurries all night long, and he would be countering with right hands right down the pipe. He would probably drop Joe Calzaghe aswell en route to a decision win.
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