Roach wants Bradley instead of cotto

[Seraphanx]

Anyway on ESPN, Freddie Roach today said that Lamont Peterson is his number 1 choice, then Bradley[/QUOTE]

For Pacquiao? Where did you read that?

[Manos de Piedra]

Roach also wants the Floyd fight but that isn't happening. If its not Mayweather then I'm not buying it, even if it is I'm still not buying it anymore.

It seriously doesnt look like Roach wants Floyd. Where did you see evidence of that?

Freddie Roach pushing hard for Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight - ESPN

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Bradley will get massacred.

[Rantcatrat]

Bradley will get massacred.

I completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.

[Taeth]

Roach also wants the Floyd fight but that isn't happening. If its not Mayweather then I'm not buying it, even if it is I'm still not buying it anymore.

It seriously doesnt look like Roach wants Floyd. Where did you see evidence of that?

GO on espn... Or type in his name on google.

[:::PSL:::]

Bradley will get massacred.

I completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.

And that's why he will get ktfo Hatton style, or his face will turn to a hamburger like Margo. Those are two main scenarios that l'm expecting in this fight if it does happen.

[Taeth]

I think people don't realize how close Pacquiao-Cotto was early on, sure it turned into a land slide, but have Cotto land a few more body shots, and have Pacquiao maybe not quite connect the way he did, especially in the fourth round and it could have been a very different fight. I remember being there and thinking, Manny might be in big trouble, then he got that second knock down and it really changed the fight. IMO Pacquiao has become a better fighter, but a little less wild, and like against Marquez, maybe at little less willing to land those big counters at any expense. Him being smarter has a lot of advantages, but it also has it's draw backs against a guy who really gave him a lot of trouble early tactically. I've heard that Cotto had a lot of problems with his right shoulder, and that they are vastly improved since when he fought Pacquiao, and that was another thing he hardly used, and with very little tenacity. It seems like Cotto has learned a few little tactics based on the second Margarito fight to slow the pace a little bit, and maybe no take punches quite as forcefully as he once did. He knows how to step back a little more efficiently.

[Taeth]

Bradley will get massacred.

I completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.

Bradley isn't a defensive fighter like Marquez? He is far better defensively than Marquez. Far quicker, and much better instincts and head movement. Watch his fights, he is actually extremely hard to hit cleanly, only Holt did it with any regularity. IMO Bradley is right up there defensively with the best guys in the sport, especially considering how busy he is in there. To the lamen boxing fan, he looks wild and reckless, but watch how he keeps his head always moving and more importantly he always keeps his feet beneath him. That means his head is moving, but also his body is moving so his opponent is trying to connect with two distances moving simultaneously. He's doesn't come through his punches the way Manny does, but he is in better balance and has better technique footwork wise. He doesn't hop in and out the same way. He is in great shape, and considering how much he is constantly moving he has a tremendous output like Pacquiao. Their work rate isn't just in the punches they throw. Its the relentlessness and consistency of everything they do in the ring. Throwing a lot of punches ala Margarito with no head movement and not a whole lot of steam(at least on the outside) on your punches isn't the same thing.

Marquez is a pretty bad defender, that's different than counter puncher. He is good at letting a guy land a less powerful blow to land a far more telling blow in return, but he moves his head, but with his so low he's easy to hit. Watch his fights against Katsidis or Juan Diaz. As he's gotten older and his legs can't move like they once did, you see he doesn't have defensive nuances. The one thing that made him hard for manny to hit is that he caught on the fact that Manny uses angles, but he always comes right down the middle if you don't follow him stupidly instead of cutting the ring off. Marquez used not so difficult footwork to keep Manny from using his footspeed and angles simply by having a better knowledge of angles. he rotated on one spot while Manny tried running all over the ring to get the right angle to come in. You put Marquez against Lamont Peterson, Holt, etc he may win, but he gets hit a whole lot in the process. It would be a matter of if he could land enough to hurt guys that aren't as tough mentally as him. There is a reason Mayweather landed at 60% against him, he has almost no defense against a smart fighter, but he is sharp and quick which is why Floyd couldn't really step up his offense the way he against Gatti, Ortiz, Mosley etc. Against Bradley, Floyd would have to beat him the same way he did Mosley, but it would require a lot more fluidity on his part, and Bradley would push him in a lot of ways that nobody else would because, Bradley moves more like Mayweather and Hopkins than anyone else in the sport does.

[Rantcatrat]

Bradley will get massacred.

I completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.

Bradley isn't a defensive fighter like Marquez? He is far better defensively than Marquez. Far quicker, and much better instincts and head movement. Watch his fights, he is actually extremely hard to hit cleanly, only Holt did it with any regularity. IMO Bradley is right up there defensively with the best guys in the sport, especially considering how busy he is in there. To the lamen boxing fan, he looks wild and reckless, but watch how he keeps his head always moving and more importantly he always keeps his feet beneath him. That means his head is moving, but also his body is moving so his opponent is trying to connect with two distances moving simultaneously. He's doesn't come through his punches the way Manny does, but he is in better balance and has better technique footwork wise. He doesn't hop in and out the same way. He is in great shape, and considering how much he is constantly moving he has a tremendous output like Pacquiao. Their work rate isn't just in the punches they throw. Its the relentlessness and consistency of everything they do in the ring. Throwing a lot of punches ala Margarito with no head movement and not a whole lot of steam(at least on the outside) on your punches isn't the same thing.

Marquez is a pretty bad defender, that's different than counter puncher. He is good at letting a guy land a less powerful blow to land a far more telling blow in return, but he moves his head, but with his so low he's easy to hit. Watch his fights against Katsidis or Juan Diaz. As he's gotten older and his legs can't move like they once did, you see he doesn't have defensive nuances. The one thing that made him hard for manny to hit is that he caught on the fact that Manny uses angles, but he always comes right down the middle if you don't follow him stupidly instead of cutting the ring off. Marquez used not so difficult footwork to keep Manny from using his footspeed and angles simply by having a better knowledge of angles. he rotated on one spot while Manny tried running all over the ring to get the right angle to come in. You put Marquez against Lamont Peterson, Holt, etc he may win, but he gets hit a whole lot in the process. It would be a matter of if he could land enough to hurt guys that aren't as tough mentally as him. There is a reason Mayweather landed at 60% against him, he has almost no defense against a smart fighter, but he is sharp and quick which is why Floyd couldn't really step up his offense the way he against Gatti, Ortiz, Mosley etc. Against Bradley, Floyd would have to beat him the same way he did Mosley, but it would require a lot more fluidity on his part, and Bradley would push him in a lot of ways that nobody else would because, Bradley moves more like Mayweather and Hopkins than anyone else in the sport does.

I didn't mean to imply that he isn't as good of a defensive fighter as Marquez just that he is different than Marquez. Bradley is one of my favorite fighters.

Pacquiao v. Bradley - who wins?

[Maravilla2012]

Bradley will get massacred.

I completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.

Bradley isn't a defensive fighter like Marquez? He is far better defensively than Marquez. Far quicker, and much better instincts and head movement. Watch his fights, he is actually extremely hard to hit cleanly, only Holt did it with any regularity. IMO Bradley is right up there defensively with the best guys in the sport, especially considering how busy he is in there. To the lamen boxing fan, he looks wild and reckless, but watch how he keeps his head always moving and more importantly he always keeps his feet beneath him. That means his head is moving, but also his body is moving so his opponent is trying to connect with two distances moving simultaneously. He's doesn't come through his punches the way Manny does, but he is in better balance and has better technique footwork wise. He doesn't hop in and out the same way. He is in great shape, and considering how much he is constantly moving he has a tremendous output like Pacquiao. Their work rate isn't just in the punches they throw. Its the relentlessness and consistency of everything they do in the ring. Throwing a lot of punches ala Margarito with no head movement and not a whole lot of steam(at least on the outside) on your punches isn't the same thing.

Marquez is a pretty bad defender, that's different than counter puncher. He is good at letting a guy land a less powerful blow to land a far more telling blow in return, but he moves his head, but with his so low he's easy to hit. Watch his fights against Katsidis or Juan Diaz. As he's gotten older and his legs can't move like they once did, you see he doesn't have defensive nuances. The one thing that made him hard for manny to hit is that he caught on the fact that Manny uses angles, but he always comes right down the middle if you don't follow him stupidly instead of cutting the ring off. Marquez used not so difficult footwork to keep Manny from using his footspeed and angles simply by having a better knowledge of angles. he rotated on one spot while Manny tried running all over the ring to get the right angle to come in. You put Marquez against Lamont Peterson, Holt, etc he may win, but he gets hit a whole lot in the process. It would be a matter of if he could land enough to hurt guys that aren't as tough mentally as him. There is a reason Mayweather landed at 60% against him, he has almost no defense against a smart fighter, but he is sharp and quick which is why Floyd couldn't really step up his offense the way he against Gatti, Ortiz, Mosley etc. Against Bradley, Floyd would have to beat him the same way he did Mosley, but it would require a lot more fluidity on his part, and Bradley would push him in a lot of ways that nobody else would because, Bradley moves more like Mayweather and Hopkins than anyone else in the sport does.

I didn't mean to imply that he isn't as good of a defensive fighter as Marquez just that he is different than Marquez. Bradley is one of my favorite fighters.

Pacquiao v. Bradley - who wins?

Pacquiao wins via KO or TKO 8

[Taeth]

I think it's silly to think Manny would catch Bradley with something that would stop him. I honestly think Bradley at least finishes seeing how hard it is to hit him cleanly, and he has a good chin. I know he got hurt against Holt, but look at that combination he hit Bradley with, there aren't a whole lot of guys that would survive that combinations, Bradley on that rare occasion was hit blind. Pacquiao being southpaw, and a different build/style than Holt wouldn't get those kind of opportunities.

I felt Pacquiao beat Marquez, it was a competitive fight, but in terms of rounds IMO he landed more and harder shots even if Marquez landed shots where PAcquiao was more out of position. Manny transfers so much energy into his punches that nobody is likely to out hit him, and I think Bradley could easily give Manny the same difficulties MArquez did, but even harder to hit, that being said he doesn't hit as hard as Marquez nor is he as offensively skilled, so I think he could lose a fight where his punches aren't as dynamic as Manny's. But I could also see him outboxing Manny(less likely).