Could Hearns have ever beaten Hagler?

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

Apparently Hagler told Hearns not to cut him or it would end up in a real fight which it did.

Yes I read that about the massage too, it seems like speculation by Steward though when answering why it went wrong.

Hearns defiantly got the tactics wrong though, but it was never in his nature to step down if someone wanted to fight him. This defiantly was the reason why he lost the fight though. If he had more discipline to his game plan and the factors I mentioned before would he have been able to have beaten Hagler?

I don't think it was deep massage that had anything to do with it. It's not like Hagler was hitting him in the leg. I think it all had to do with Hagler hitting him in the head.

As for the fight happening earlier, say 1983,I think Hearns would have been wiped out just as quick and his career would have suffered more from it.

I agree, Jody. It seems like people are a lot more accepting of excuses these days. When it comes to being working class people who have to make money doing hard work, we can't really afford to have excuses for why we couldn't get the job done. Instead, for the better, we do everything in our power to get it done right.

I don't think it's too much to hold fighters to this standard, too. Their entire career is boxing, but they don't treat it that way. Excuses will always come up instead of the truth. The truth usually being that they didn't have what it took to win, or they didn't try hard enough. In Hearns case it would have been that he tried hard, had a good game plan, and did his best in the ring. He lost because he couldn't stand up to the Hagler hurricane.

Excuses simply don't cut it.

[Dia bando]

Let's face fact's Hagler is a Ring Great this guy is one of the best Middle Weight's in boxing history
Tommy hit him cut him, and Marvin still beat Tommy what a fight.

[PUGWARRIOR]

This whole''if hagler gave hearns a rematch '' crap drives me crazy...they both had the same amount of time to train and develope a fight plan and then they fought...best man wins...and hagler was the best man in that fight...period. In my opinion the only reasons a rematch should be in order between fighters is if there was a controversial stoppage( head butt ) ...the scoring was waaay off and something smelled bad or the fight was so exciting and competative the fans wanted more(gatti vs ward for example)...while the fight was awesome for as long as it lasted haglers stoppage of hearns was so decisive with hearns litterally being carried`like a child by his handlers i saw no reason for a rematch without hearns doing something in his next few fights to earn a rematch....by then it was too late because hagler pretty much blew his last real load on mugabi...he was 75 % of what he was at his best vs leonard and he never looked back...so just deal with the fact that while hearns was a machine of distruction in most of his fights he just didnt have it vs hagler...case closed.

[electivemed]

Apparently Hagler told Hearns not to cut him or it would end up in a real fight which it did.

Yes I read that about the massage too, it seems like speculation by Steward though when answering why it went wrong.

Hearns defiantly got the tactics wrong though, but it was never in his nature to step down if someone wanted to fight him. This defiantly was the reason why he lost the fight though. If he had more discipline to his game plan and the factors I mentioned before would he have been able to have beaten Hagler?

I don't think it was deep massage that had anything to do with it. It's not like Hagler was hitting him in the leg. I think it all had to do with Hagler hitting him in the head.

As for the fight happening earlier, say 1983,I think Hearns would have been wiped out just as quick and his career would have suffered more from it.

I agree, Jody. It seems like people are a lot more accepting of excuses these days. When it comes to being working class people who have to make money doing hard work, we can't really afford to have excuses for why we couldn't get the job done. Instead, for the better, we do everything in our power to get it done right.

I don't think it's too much to hold fighters to this standard, too. Their entire career is boxing, but they don't treat it that way. Excuses will always come up instead of the truth. The truth usually being that they didn't have what it took to win, or they didn't try hard enough. In Hearns case it would have been that he tried hard, had a good game plan, and did his best in the ring. He lost because he couldn't stand up to the Hagler hurricane.

Excuses simply don't cut it.

And the exact same thing happened to Hagler in the Leonard fight as well. Hagler had his ears boxed off. The age excuse and other excuses you bring up only support his mental weaknesses and inferior boxing skills against Leonard and Hearns............. Hagler fought Leonard hard, tried hard, and lost big

Excuses simply dont cut it...................

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

the only knock out is going to be me knocking you out.
The final facts are this:
Hagler cried and ran like a little girl after he was soundly beat by leonard. He should have fought hearns and the winner got leonard.
After the hearns fight hagler was never the same. He would have been destroyed by hearns in a return fight.
Haglers weak mind was exposed by leonard.

okay dumbass. Let's debate your final facts.

-hagler wasn't beaten soundly. It's hotly contested to this day whether or not leonard won that fight.
-he retired because he was out of it. That's why he lost to leonard. Could hearns have beaten him? Sure. But that's not the point. Hagler knew he was done.
-you're right about hagler not being the same after hearns.
-hagler's weak mind? That's the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my entire life. Slap your parents for ever producing such a retarded offspring.

Refute! ;d

as in: Short bus dim slim do you need a picture?

I'm sorry, do you have any points to make?

Apparently Hagler told Hearns not to cut him or it would end up in a real fight which it did.

Yes I read that about the massage too, it seems like speculation by Steward though when answering why it went wrong.

Hearns defiantly got the tactics wrong though, but it was never in his nature to step down if someone wanted to fight him. This defiantly was the reason why he lost the fight though. If he had more discipline to his game plan and the factors I mentioned before would he have been able to have beaten Hagler?

I don't think it was deep massage that had anything to do with it. It's not like Hagler was hitting him in the leg. I think it all had to do with Hagler hitting him in the head.

As for the fight happening earlier, say 1983,I think Hearns would have been wiped out just as quick and his career would have suffered more from it.

I agree, Jody. It seems like people are a lot more accepting of excuses these days. When it comes to being working class people who have to make money doing hard work, we can't really afford to have excuses for why we couldn't get the job done. Instead, for the better, we do everything in our power to get it done right.

I don't think it's too much to hold fighters to this standard, too. Their entire career is boxing, but they don't treat it that way. Excuses will always come up instead of the truth. The truth usually being that they didn't have what it took to win, or they didn't try hard enough. In Hearns case it would have been that he tried hard, had a good game plan, and did his best in the ring. He lost because he couldn't stand up to the Hagler hurricane.

Excuses simply don't cut it.

And the exact same thing happened to Hagler in the Leonard fight as well. Hagler had his ears boxed off. The age excuse and other excuses you bring up only support his mental weaknesses and inferior boxing skills against Leonard and Hearns............. Hagler fought Leonard hard, tried hard, and lost big

Excuses simply dont cut it...................

I already refuted all of these points in my other post where you didn't have a reply. Please try to show me some logic.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Hearns vs.Duran, Roberto's worst nightmare to date and yet he defeated Leonard, one out of two times until they fought again as unenthusiastic individuals and once again as with Hearns Leonard was given a return gift. Hearns is beaten by Barkley twice and Duran beat Barkley. Hagler beat Hearns badly and he decisions Duran In a tough fight and Duran was quoted as telling Leonard I just gave you the blueprint for beating Hagler. Leonard beats Hagler although I never thought so. I just thought Ray was blessed with adoring fans and judges that saw differently. Before I say those words take a guess. Did you? Styles make fights and Duran, Barkley, Hagler and Leonard all provided Tommy with a resume that at least says he was in there amongst all time greats but had the unfortunate luck of using the word, oops on a few occasions. Whether it was bad planning or just the fact that he couldn't wake up from his nightmare and say,"Oh shit it was just a dream." He won some and he lost some just like all of us.