Protein shake advice please.......

[Gray Lion]

I got to ask why anyone would take a protein shake and add glutimine?...the protein already has glutimine in it. Furthermore your body naturally produces glutimine from what you eat, and will not store any excess...so out it comes with the waste. The other two supplements flaxseed oil and such leave me wondering what their value would be. But I really caution you on taking a protein right before bedtime...a blueprint for fat storage. Take the isolatee protein 30 minutes before work out and thirty minutes afterward. It's like I tell my guys...you go into these health food stores and GNC centers, and if you take what they said you needed, you would'nt have time to eat. Isolate Protein and Creatine are about the only two supplements I would even consider. 90% of this Nitro/oxide/black atomic, untra mega, labeled stuff is just crap...caffeine and sugar loaded.....made for pennies and sold for big bucks and does nothing.

[Cruiser]

To Gray Lion, first off, all protein powder have L Glutimine in them(your right), but ask any nutritionist, there isn't enough of it added to the protein powder...if they did add the propper amount the cost on every protein powder would be TOO much!!!very expensive ingredient!!! I hope that clears it up for you!!! and yes your body produces Glutamine naturally but it doesn't produce enough if you work out 5 days a week like me!!! maybe GrayLion with your light workouts your muscle don't benifit from extra glutamine it your diet...it helps everyone else's muscles against fatigue and cramping and helps with prevent muscle tissue breakdown and increases muscle recovery time which for most boxers and athletes is IMPORTANT GrayLion!!! And to educate you on the other two supplement I mention... Flax seed oil helps your joints!!! also it gives your whole skin a nice warm glow... now GrayLion, I punch the heavy bag to try to devolpe strong knockout power, but in doing so over the years my shoulder are very sore now and I benifit from adding a spoon of flaxseed oil to my protein shake and when I'm at the beach I like my skin looking nice and shiney with a warm glow look!!!...and the other suppliment I mention was Arginine... you see, my diet consist of mostly chicken and rice and veggies, I lack beef(steak) in my diet...beef (steak) have arginine in it, so I take a suppliment instead...if your not aware arginine is a proven ingredient to build muscle, it's part of the branch chain animo acid the builds muscle and arginine is also and ingredient in every protein powder...its very safe to take... and as for as your advice you mention...yeah take the glutamine before and after your workout (definetly)take it with water for better absorption... but SKIP the creatine unless you want to have a bloated feeling and want a bubble looking physique.... also taking a protein shake before bedtime is perfect, low carb, high quality protein powder, and if you buy the timed released protein powder you can have your body fed all night long while you sleep... and your body is healing and recovering when your sleeping...it's important for your body to have the food for the recovery. I hope my info helps you :-) Cruiser

[Gray Lion]

Cruiser...first off, I'm sorry you took my comments personal...I thought we were having a discussion. I hope you have learned the fundamental rule in the ring about keeping your temper.
As to my "lame workouts"...I don't recall you being at the ATC fitness gyms on the three days I work out there, and then the three days I work out as a Boxing coach and fitness instructor. I am pushing 69 and still get in the ring for body shots and sparring. I weigh 223, have all my hair, don't need glasses, and still remember where I parked my car...so I must have done something right in life. I had the advantage of knowing bare knuckle fighters and boxers back from the days when there was no supplements..just heavy meals and heavy workouts. I can bring in a doctor or neutrition expert to refute anyone who claims what you state and to tell you that most of the supplements out there have no foundation in true scientific studies...your body DOES produce what you need, if you follow a balanced diet plan. You state to take it before bed time.....I would love to meet the "expert' who advocates this.
Now if your talking steroids...that's a whole new world...and one I have avoided and encourage others not to take.
If your plan works for you fine...you are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. I just get a little anoyed at people who make personal degogatory remarks toward me and have not ever met me, or been in the ring with me.
With regards.....Gray Lion

[Cruiser]

Hi Gray Lion, I'm not taking anything you said personally, but I speak the truth about my advice...so you don't have to take my advice if you don't want to...do what works for you guy... It so awesome to here someone of the age 69 is still doing active sparring in the ring(I tip my hat to you Gray Lion)... I'm the only one in any local fitness center in my city who has NEVER taken anything to grow my muscles...furthermore I'm always boxing against other boxers who do take steroids and growth hormones and creatine and I'm completely natural...I will NEVER promote steroids!!! I'm a chubby boxer, nothing of elite level, and I'm getting close to 40 years old myself(out of my prime for boxing)... boxing is just something I have done to stay fit over the years... In two years I will be entering the master competition for natural bodybuilders (but I will be the only guy that has never done steroids in that competition) Also 50 years ago, good balanced meals were awesome... and they still are... I would always recommend real food over any protein powder, but in the year of 2012 with all our "Fast Paced" lives its sometimes difficult to cook a healthy meal because of our "rushed" lives. And I read what you wrote about not liking people passing judgement on you when they have never met you, or never been in the ring with you... I understand your view... Anytime you want to see how I look like send me a private email and I'll direct you to a bodybuilding website and you can view my photos and read my profile aswell. Cruiser P.S I will always fuel my body with exactly what it needs to recover at bedtime so I'm ready and able to workout the next morning...but you do what works for you guy :-)

[Gray Lion]

Cruiser. Thanks for your letter and the spirit in which it was written. I agree with what you say. In fact, we have some very long discussions in the gym on supplements. We all do agree on more Protein, but beyond that, it's just like asking someone what kind of car they should buy.....you get a lot of different answers and a lot of arguments...but in the end we are all members of the boxing fraternity and try to look out for one another. When Creatine is used, it is a 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off program. We have had some success with it on the layman theory that it makes the muscle cells absorb faster. But everyone is different and what works for one, does not necessarily work for another. I am also amazed that some people can load up on the worst food and come out looking great and stronger. Hardest fighter I ever knew drank whiskey like water and maintained a strong body because he was a track layer and rail repair guy for the railroad. Good luck with you training and in the ring. I'm sorry to see younger fighters going off into MMA and ignoring the training they can receive in boxing.
With kindest regards,
Gray Lion

[Cruiser]

Hi Gray Lion, you seem like a cool guy... I'm sure there is alot I can learn from you... I like reading everyones threads on the site... and I'm sorry if my words didn't come out right... I agree with alot you have written... Cheers Cruiser :-)