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Dont get me wrong. I prefere boxing to MMA. This thread started out with people saying that a boxer could go into UFC with no understanding of the ground game and beat an MMA fighter.
I love the fact that boxing is stand up all the time and they display a whole different skill level in boxing to the standard UFC fighter.
But as a fight fan I cannot dissregard a certain type of fighting. It does not make sense to me. The fact that if you were to truely have a battle with someone you would not be able to tell them to they are not allowed to grab the other guy. UFC has rules in place of course but that is only for safety reasons. It is the closest thing to an all out battle you can get.
The ground game has its own complexities. I started to enjoy it the first time I saw Nogera fight in pride. He was getting beaten in the stand up and the other guy knocked him down. He was on his back and the other guy went for the finishing punch. He got hit with it but somehow managed to hold onto his arm. After a few seconds of the guy trying to puch from the dominant position he wrapped his legs around his head and pulled of an amasing triangle choke hold. That was it. The guy was bigger and stronger than him but he had the skill to perform a move when he was in that state.
If you get two good ground fighters they will sweep each other. Pull of multiple submission attempts. Escape from difficult submissions. Or stuff takedowns and get the knock out.
Then as well as that you have knees, kicks and move like spinning back fists. You may get alot of boring fights but so does boxing. When you get a good fight you can truely apreciate the skill each fighter has.
Actually it was MMA fighters going into BOXING
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing
I know. And I would give them the same chance of suddenly going over to boxing and winning a fight as I would give a boxer of going over to UFC and winning a fight. Not alot.
Thats how the discussion startded but other people said that a boxer could go to UFC an win but not the other way round. That is why we are at this point.
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Nobody and I mean NO-BODEEEEE in MMA punches like Vitali Klitschko. Straight, accurate, powerful.
If these MMA guys JUST did standup, I'm fairly certain that even I with my limited boxing skill could counter them easily....a simple roll and counter move would destroy the majority of MMA fighters on ALL levels.
Take Rampage vs Liddell II for example...Chuck pushes out a lazy punch and drops his hand rather than snapping it and bringing it back to guard against a counter...THAT is why Chuck wasn't a boxer because that is easily exploitable by any run of the mill fighter.
Once again, kick boxing and UFC are two different sports. You are not allowed to grab the other guys legs in kick boxing. Nor sweep, etc. Im not saying that Vitali could not go to UFC and learn the ground game. He might be quite good once he practices in the sport for a while. The same if a fighter went over to boxing and trained in boxing for a while. Just because a person chooses a particular sport to begin with does not mean they dont have the ability to learn the other sport. It is down to the individual drive and natural abilities weather they are good at the other sport.
Now Vitali would be increadibly lucky to get a punch off before brock gets close. But Brock would get close immidiately and not let him go.
Its like saying a guy like brock could not get a lucky punch off against Vitali. Its a possibility either way but not highly likely.
As far as his kick boxing knowledge goes. He has not done that for many years and I can garentee you that there are better kick boxers and much better grapplers out there than him.
If this was a UFC forum it would be like me coming on there and saying Anderson silva could beat Mayweather because he has done boxing before.
Either sport takes a high level of skill which requires alot of dedication. You cant have done it a while back and expect to beat everone else who are training day in and out all there lives at that particular skill.
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