Quote Originally Posted by wacko3205
Quote Originally Posted by jtrock

All I am saying Wacks is that What are you gonna say if he beats Calzaghe convincingly? Will you guys change your tune or will you say its cause Joe Moved up To Lightheavyweight Who does Roy have to beat NOW to gain redemption and be considered a player in your eyes?
Then I would applaude him for winning. I'd be shocked...but I'd applaude him.

The thing is...your'e lumping me into a category that I don't like. "Will you guys change your tune"

What tune is it that you think I'm blowin? I'm a Jones fan. I love the guy...I just want him to retire. I think that his best years are far behind him.

Quote Originally Posted by jtrock
If Roy makes a triumphant comeback against top flight opponents does he then become the greatest of all time
No. Hell no...he doesn't become the greatest of all time...he's already a great...just like Hopkins is...but Hopkins, even though he beat Tarver, is not the greatest of all time.
Wacks, I'm not takin a shot at you bud,I should of generalized it a little more... My I wanted to make is to give Jones no shot against Calzaghe is absurd!!!!! Calzaghe is GREAT I'm not disputing that , but to think that he would have to move up 7lbs I would half to imagine would diminish his handspeed and might have a bearing on his work rate he is 34 I believe and no spring chicken either he has his aches and pains as well and to me thats the X factor through this

1) how much pop will he have at 175?
2) how well can he take a punch at 175?
3) can he maintain his furious pace at 175?
4) how will his stamina be at 175?
5) how will his hands hold up at that weight hitting a heavier person he is going to have to swing a little bit harder at 175 to do damage than he would at 168 I mean who knows?

I like breaking it down I'm no expert but I think these are valid points and I like Roy's chances in this one