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    Default Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Sure Mayweather probably wins this by a wide points margin, but STYLES make fights. Miguel Cotto is a much more complete fighter than what Floyd has faced since De la Hoya. Mosley had power and handspeed, no defense. Zab had no discipline, Ortiz couldn't box, JMM had no power. Miguel Cotto can box, he has power, good timing, decent defense, a solid chin, a warrior's heart, and he can switch up from orthodox to southpaw.

    To me, this is a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Cotto is sneaky with his power and sneaky with his speed. He doesn't look quick, but he can catch you coming in and put a hurting on you. Miguel also doesn't care where the hell he hits you he just wants to do damage...he stopped Gianaluca Branco with a left hook to the shoulder!!!

    If Cotto prepares to go 12, uses the jab effectively AND remembers to attack the body.....well we might just have ourselves a fight fellas!!!!
    He did. But that was what 6 years ago? That Cotto doesn't exist any more


    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... that's 3 steps back.





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    Default Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th

    Of course I'm a massive Cotto fan, and will be rooting for him to pull off the upset. "Rooting" might even be slightly understated. I'll probably be yelling my head off, much like everybody else I'll be watching the fight with.

    And like Diane, I too feel Cotto can pull it off, with the right game plan. It helps that he got this new Cuban trainer. The guy did wonders with Cotto in preparation for the Margacheato rematch. He got Cotto back into his boxing ways, and put some speed and reflexes back into his game.

    Having said all that... I also think Cotto would've matched up better with Pacquaio in a rematch of their first fight. In fact... I think Cotto would've likely pulled off the upset had he and Pacquaio fought again, now that Joe Santiago is no longer Cotto's trainer. But it's not Pacquaio Cotto is facing now... it's Mayweather. Cotto will have to have the perfect game plan, and execute it to a "T". But he's a warrior, and as someone very well put it.... he always gives us a good fight. So I'm excited and looking forward to it.

    And good for Cotto. He does deserve the mega-fight after all these years.


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    Default Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Cotto beat Mosley with his jab, he did a great job with it. I think if Cotto can handle Judah's hand speed then he can do ok vs Floyd.

    It should be a good fight, Cotto isn't in bad fights.
    Thing is Cotto never really handled Judah's speed. Cotto punished and broke down Judah cuz is Judah. After 4 rounds he'll stop doing what's working for him. But whenever he decided to actually let his hands go he had success and would get the better of exchanges

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Sure Mayweather probably wins this by a wide points margin, but STYLES make fights. Miguel Cotto is a much more complete fighter than what Floyd has faced since De la Hoya. Mosley had power and handspeed, no defense. Zab had no discipline, Ortiz couldn't box, JMM had no power. Miguel Cotto can box, he has power, good timing, decent defense, a solid chin, a warrior's heart, and he can switch up from orthodox to southpaw.

    To me, this is a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Cotto is sneaky with his power and sneaky with his speed. He doesn't look quick, but he can catch you coming in and put a hurting on you. Miguel also doesn't care where the hell he hits you he just wants to do damage...he stopped Gianaluca Branco with a left hook to the shoulder!!!

    If Cotto prepares to go 12, uses the jab effectively AND remembers to attack the body.....well we might just have ourselves a fight fellas!!!!
    He did. But that was what 6 years ago? That Cotto doesn't exist any more


    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... that's 3 steps back.




    I could of just humored you and told you what you wanted to hear. But not wanting to give you false hope about Cotto non-existence chance I decided to be completely honest with you.


    That should be like a 5 step jump

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    Default Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Cotto beat Mosley with his jab, he did a great job with it. I think if Cotto can handle Judah's hand speed then he can do ok vs Floyd.

    It should be a good fight, Cotto isn't in bad fights.
    Thing is Cotto never really handled Judah's speed. Cotto punished and broke down Judah cuz is Judah. After 4 rounds he'll stop doing what's working for him. But whenever he decided to actually let his hands go he had success and would get the better of exchanges

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Sure Mayweather probably wins this by a wide points margin, but STYLES make fights. Miguel Cotto is a much more complete fighter than what Floyd has faced since De la Hoya. Mosley had power and handspeed, no defense. Zab had no discipline, Ortiz couldn't box, JMM had no power. Miguel Cotto can box, he has power, good timing, decent defense, a solid chin, a warrior's heart, and he can switch up from orthodox to southpaw.

    To me, this is a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Cotto is sneaky with his power and sneaky with his speed. He doesn't look quick, but he can catch you coming in and put a hurting on you. Miguel also doesn't care where the hell he hits you he just wants to do damage...he stopped Gianaluca Branco with a left hook to the shoulder!!!

    If Cotto prepares to go 12, uses the jab effectively AND remembers to attack the body.....well we might just have ourselves a fight fellas!!!!
    He did. But that was what 6 years ago? That Cotto doesn't exist any more


    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... that's 3 steps back.




    I could of just humored you and told you what you wanted to hear. But not wanting to give you false hope about Cotto non-existence chance I decided to be completely honest with you.


    That should be like a 5 step jump
    he can't do any worse than Marquez did, or than Margarito would

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    If this fight actually happens on May 5th, I like Cotto's chances at 154, i'm really surprised Mayweather would agree to this fight, but I guess he's legally obligated, so it should happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    If this fight actually happens on May 5th, I like Cotto's chances at 154, i'm really surprised Mayweather would agree to this fight, but I guess he's legally obligated, so it should happen.
    I'd be surprised if it wasn't at a catch-weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    If this fight actually happens on May 5th, I like Cotto's chances at 154, i'm really surprised Mayweather would agree to this fight, but I guess he's legally obligated, so it should happen.
    I'd be surprised if it wasn't at a catch-weight.
    According to Floyd, the fight will happen at the weight Cotto is most comfortable at, if true that would be at 154, no catch-weight.

    Cotto fights often, and is used to being in "wars", but Floyd isn't, this could get interesting if Miguel can penetrate Mayweather's defense and land some significant shots. Floyd just might have bitten off more then he could chew.

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    Default Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th

    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post
    If this fight actually happens on May 5th, I like Cotto's chances at 154, i'm really surprised Mayweather would agree to this fight, but I guess he's legally obligated, so it should happen.
    I'd be surprised if it wasn't at a catch-weight.
    According to Floyd, the fight will happen at the weight Cotto is most comfortable at, if true that would be at 154, no catch-weight.

    Cotto fights often, and is used to being in "wars", but Floyd isn't, this could get interesting if Miguel can penetrate Mayweather's defense and land some significant shots. Floyd just might have bitten off more then he could chew.
    I'm glad to hear it will be at 154. It still won't be competitive though. I can't see Cotto winning more than maybe two or three rounds and I think he gets knocked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Cotto beat Mosley with his jab, he did a great job with it. I think if Cotto can handle Judah's hand speed then he can do ok vs Floyd.

    It should be a good fight, Cotto isn't in bad fights.
    Thing is Cotto never really handled Judah's speed. Cotto punished and broke down Judah cuz is Judah. After 4 rounds he'll stop doing what's working for him. But whenever he decided to actually let his hands go he had success and would get the better of exchanges

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Sure Mayweather probably wins this by a wide points margin, but STYLES make fights. Miguel Cotto is a much more complete fighter than what Floyd has faced since De la Hoya. Mosley had power and handspeed, no defense. Zab had no discipline, Ortiz couldn't box, JMM had no power. Miguel Cotto can box, he has power, good timing, decent defense, a solid chin, a warrior's heart, and he can switch up from orthodox to southpaw.

    To me, this is a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Cotto is sneaky with his power and sneaky with his speed. He doesn't look quick, but he can catch you coming in and put a hurting on you. Miguel also doesn't care where the hell he hits you he just wants to do damage...he stopped Gianaluca Branco with a left hook to the shoulder!!!

    If Cotto prepares to go 12, uses the jab effectively AND remembers to attack the body.....well we might just have ourselves a fight fellas!!!!
    He did. But that was what 6 years ago? That Cotto doesn't exist any more


    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... that's 3 steps back.




    I could of just humored you and told you what you wanted to hear. But not wanting to give you false hope about Cotto non-existence chance I decided to be completely honest with you.


    That should be like a 5 step jump
    he can't do any worse than Marquez did, or than Margarito would
    I can see Cotto getting stopped

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Cotto beat Mosley with his jab, he did a great job with it. I think if Cotto can handle Judah's hand speed then he can do ok vs Floyd.

    It should be a good fight, Cotto isn't in bad fights.
    Thing is Cotto never really handled Judah's speed. Cotto punished and broke down Judah cuz is Judah. After 4 rounds he'll stop doing what's working for him. But whenever he decided to actually let his hands go he had success and would get the better of exchanges

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Sure Mayweather probably wins this by a wide points margin, but STYLES make fights. Miguel Cotto is a much more complete fighter than what Floyd has faced since De la Hoya. Mosley had power and handspeed, no defense. Zab had no discipline, Ortiz couldn't box, JMM had no power. Miguel Cotto can box, he has power, good timing, decent defense, a solid chin, a warrior's heart, and he can switch up from orthodox to southpaw.

    To me, this is a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Cotto is sneaky with his power and sneaky with his speed. He doesn't look quick, but he can catch you coming in and put a hurting on you. Miguel also doesn't care where the hell he hits you he just wants to do damage...he stopped Gianaluca Branco with a left hook to the shoulder!!!

    If Cotto prepares to go 12, uses the jab effectively AND remembers to attack the body.....well we might just have ourselves a fight fellas!!!!
    He did. But that was what 6 years ago? That Cotto doesn't exist any more


    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... that's 3 steps back.




    I could of just humored you and told you what you wanted to hear. But not wanting to give you false hope about Cotto non-existence chance I decided to be completely honest with you.


    That should be like a 5 step jump
    he can't do any worse than Marquez did, or than Margarito would
    I can see Cotto getting stopped
    Mayweather could have stopped Marquez at any point from the 3rd on, he didn't simply out of choice rather than Marquez' ability to survive...

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    Default Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th

    I really want this fight to be on Box Nation as the Cotto v Margarito fight was, really could not care less about Pacquiau v Bradley fight, would not stay up for that fight as it does not excite me at all. It will be a Clottey type shut out.
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    Good fight. Quite surprising really. What with bradley getting his man.
    I wonder how arum thinks he has all the pieces laid out? No doubt he'll be eyeing up Bradley.

    I think mayweather erik l have to be the aggressor because Cotto's only realistic chance of winning is to fight like he has done the past couple of fights... on the out side.The way i see it, May weather isn't quite as fluid as he used to be,i think his legs are going and he is becoming more accustomed to shutting guys down on the front foot.

    He'll go looking for Cotto.

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    In my opinion Cotto will have to switch up, be the aggressor one round, then allow Floyd to come to you. Floyd is so good at making adjustments mid fight that you have to beat him with a gameplan to use 3 or 4 different gameplans. You've got to be aggressive, but not leave yourself open for counters, you've got to use good defense but also you have to win rounds. Floyd will no doubt use his questionable tactics (much like other great fighters), the elbows and forearms, but Cotto is a hoss, he can give back some rough stuff as well.

    Cotto should not ONLY focus on the body, but he should gun for Floyd's arms as well. Floyd uses his arms for defense and he's one of the best defensive fighters I've ever seen, but the manner in which he uses them he has to have quick reactions to counterpunch...if his arms got slowed down by power punches then theoretically he would be more vulnerable. The main thing is Cotto has to find a way to negate Floyd's speed....if he can do that with his power or with his timing he can pull off a HUGE upset!

    Cotto has been burried by his critics before "He'll never be the same" after the Margarito fight, "He's done as a fighter" after the Pacquiao fight....well this is Cotto's chance to achieve the seemingly impossible...I for one know he'll put up a hell of a fight!

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    Default Re: Its Mayweather v Cotto on May 5th

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    In my opinion Cotto will have to switch up, be the aggressor one round, then allow Floyd to come to you. Floyd is so good at making adjustments mid fight that you have to beat him with a gameplan to use 3 or 4 different gameplans. You've got to be aggressive, but not leave yourself open for counters, you've got to use good defense but also you have to win rounds. Floyd will no doubt use his questionable tactics (much like other great fighters), the elbows and forearms, but Cotto is a hoss, he can give back some rough stuff as well.

    Cotto should not ONLY focus on the body, but he should gun for Floyd's arms as well. Floyd uses his arms for defense and he's one of the best defensive fighters I've ever seen, but the manner in which he uses them he has to have quick reactions to counterpunch...if his arms got slowed down by power punches then theoretically he would be more vulnerable. The main thing is Cotto has to find a way to negate Floyd's speed....if he can do that with his power or with his timing he can pull off a HUGE upset!

    Cotto has been burried by his critics before "He'll never be the same" after the Margarito fight, "He's done as a fighter" after the Pacquiao fight....well this is Cotto's chance to achieve the seemingly impossible...I for one know he'll put up a hell of a fight!
    Great post Lyle, Cotto does need to take the initiative and set the tempo for the fight adjusting the game plan not allowing Floyd to find his rhythm.
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    It is official, my estimation of Floyd Mayweather has increased tenfold by this announcement to fight Cotto at light middle weight. Well done to him for getting out of his comfort zone and taking a real challenge. Whilst Cotto is slightly damaged from his 2 defeats, he has come back strong with his victories and established himself as a good champion at the weight. Floyd is taking Cotto at his weight so the fight nearly evens itself out but I have Floyd as marginal favourite. It will be a terrific technical fight which I am really looking forward to.

    I do think the fight is at catch weight 150lb.

    Conversely my estimation in Pacquiao has gone down, he tried to force Cotto to fight at a lower weight, which Cotto refused. Well done to him for standing his ground and not going for the money.
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