A question

[Majesty]

I've seen threads with people doubting Roy Jones Jr, I have a few questions

Why is it that when Roy Jones beats Badi Ajamu, people say it was weak competition and that Roy shouldn't get credit?

but when Wladimer Klitschko beats Elesio Castillo, a cruiserweight, everybody is saying, He's back? Or even a one dimensional Sam Peter who was probably a top 20 ranked Heavyweight in the world but somehow got a number 1 contender shot from beating some bum on Showtime?

Why's Vivian Harris given major props for stopping Stevie Johnston who's been off and is nowhere near as good as he was and is unranked probably but Roy can't get the credit for beating someone ranked in the top 5 in 2 organizations?

I just don't get it.

[B@rr3r@]

Haters....

[Memphis]

Its not hating, its being realistic. Jones is finished at the top level, well done to him for beating Ajamu, it must have been a tough mental and physical excercise for him, but its nothing to get excited about.

Wlad has gone on to re-establish himself as a top tier fighter, he now deserves some credit.

[Majesty]

against who?

A one dimensional Peter? A Chris Byrd he beat up easily before?

[Memphis]

We can argue the toss over Byrd and Peters quality all night long, but they are a hell of a lot more noteworthy than Ajamu.

[Majesty]

Ajamu was rated in the top 5 in 2 organizations.

Peter was a hype machine that beat bums on Showtime and got a number 1 contender match somehow. Not even a top 20 heavyweight probably since his biggest win was Jeremy Williams.

And Roy never beat the living daylights out of Ajamu before either

[Memphis]

And if Roy could go back and do to Clinton Woods what he did a few years back he would get a tonne of praise, and an IBF belt, just like Wlad did

[JT Rock]

I posted this in another thread but I think it is appropriate here...

My point I wanted to make is to say Jones has no shot against Calzaghe is absurd!!!!! Calzaghe is GREAT I'm not disputing that , but to think that he would have to move up 7lbs I would half to imagine would diminish his handspeed and might have a bearing on his work rate he is 34 I believe and is no spring chicken either, he has his aches and pains as well, to me thats the X factor through this

1) how much pop will he have at 175?
2) how well can he take a punch at 175?
3) can he maintain his furious pace at 175?
4) how will his stamina be at 175?
5) how will his hands hold up at that weight hitting a heavier person he is going to have to swing a little bit harder at 175 to do damage than he would at 168 I mean who knows?

I like breaking it down I'm no expert but I think these are valid points and I like Roy's chances in this one

[Dekar]

tarver, johnson, hopkins, etc

those guys should just go to heavyweight and see if they can win it like jones did already?

if hopkins vs jones 2 will happen hopkin should move up his weight, jones lost his shape because he's move to heavyweight then quickly back again to lightweight. Its not as simple as you might thought.

With his win againts this medicore opponent jones will at least earn one last title shot. Probably by taking one more opponent who's better then ajamu , if he lost he should stay away from the ring.

[beds]

the difference between peters and byrd, for wlad and prince badi for jones is that i have heard of peters and byrd before.

i dont think im alone in saying that i didnt have a clue who this prince badi was before jones fought him, now its unlikely we'll ever hear from him again.

byrd was a champion, peters was a threat, badi was an unknown, thats the difference

[bcollins]

I've seen threads with people doubting Roy Jones Jr, I have a few questions
Why is it that when Roy Jones beats Badi Ajamu, people say it was weak competition and that Roy shouldn't get credit?
but when Wladimer Klitschko beats Elesio Castillo, a cruiserweight, everybody is saying, He's back? Or even a one dimensional Sam Peter who was probably a top 20 ranked Heavyweight in the world but somehow got a number 1 contender shot from beating some bum on Showtime?
Why's Vivian Harris given major props for stopping Stevie Johnston who's been off and is nowhere near as good as he was and is unranked probably but Roy can't get the credit for beating someone ranked in the top 5 in 2 organizations?
I just don't get it.

You make valid arguments! Personally, I still think Wlad's a disaster waiting to happen, but he's picking opponents very well. Roy does deserve credit; he's still a damn fine boxer. I just don't think he'll ever be the world beater he was in his prime again. It's hard to say exactly what's different about him now - some say reflexes, heart, things like that - but he just doesn't seem to have the same zeal for landing his shot (or four) and moving before the other guy can hit him back. Now it seems he's more concerned with the not getting hit part - and his offense suffers for it. He can still land, but not with the same zip he did before. I honestly think that's what will keep him from winning at the world class level as he is now.

[J_Undisputed]

Mostly people will try to discredit roy because, Ajamu was largely unheard of prior to this and the fight was in like, bumf*ck, Idaho where it didnt get much attention. Still, there are some people that don't like Roy because he hasn't beat every single person they could ever imagine. Others are fair weather fans that idolized him and are still bitter that he didnt rebound as they expected after the loss in tarver 2.

On the other hand Vlad has never quite lived up to the hype that preceded him, so people are still pining for him to reach his potential and see if he can fit that image that people had for him at the pinnacle of his career...Hes stumbled a little from the knock out losses and having his big brother overshadow him for a little bit. People attributed his setbacks to inexperience and nerves because he's young. Roy ruled the P4p list for a while. When youre at the bottom theres no wher eto go but up and when youre at the top, theres nowhere to go but down. There are different expectation levels for these guy, because over time people are forced to come to grips with what the fighters are truley capable of. Even the people that hate roy admit that in his prime he'd beat most fighters easily that they claim would beat roy now.

I only saw a little bit of fight. Roy didnt look exactly like vintage roy but he definitely looked better than last time out. His legs looked a little stiff and he seemed to fight taller than he used to as if he was trying to conserve the spring in his legs. I dont think his hands speed has suffered any. But hes gonna have work overtime on his mobility to get closer to his top form.

[Majesty]

Mostly people will try to discredit roy because, Ajamu was largely unheard of prior to this and the fight was in like, bumf*ck, Idaho where it didnt get much attention. Still, there are some people that don't like Roy because he hasn't beat every single person they could ever imagine. Others are fair weather fans that idolized him and are still bitter that he didnt rebound as they expected after the loss in tarver 2.

On the other hand Vlad has never quite lived up to the hype that preceded him, so people are still pining for him to reach his potential and see if he can fit that image that people had for him at the pinnacle of his career...Hes stumbled a little from the knock out losses and having his big brother overshadow him for a little bit. People attributed his setbacks to inexperience and nerves because he's young. Roy ruled the P4p list for a while. When youre at the bottom theres no wher eto go but up and when youre at the top, theres nowhere to go but down. There are different expectation levels for these guy, because over time people are forced to come to grips with what the fighters are truley capable of. Even the people that hate roy admit that in his prime he'd beat most fighters easily that they claim would beat roy now.

I only saw a little bit of fight. Roy didnt look exactly like vintage roy but he definitely looked better than last time out. His legs looked a little stiff and he seemed to fight taller than he used to as if he was trying to conserve the spring in his legs. I dont think his hands speed has suffered any. But hes gonna have work overtime on his mobility to get closer to his top form.

[superheavyrhun]

I posted this in another thread but I think it is appropriate here...

My point I wanted to make is to say Jones has no shot against Calzaghe is absurd!!!!! Calzaghe is GREAT I'm not disputing that , but to think that he would have to move up 7lbs I would half to imagine would diminish his handspeed and might have a bearing on his work rate he is 34 I believe and is no spring chicken either, he has his aches and pains as well, to me thats the X factor through this

1) how much pop will he have at 175?
2) how well can he take a punch at 175?
3) can he maintain his furious pace at 175?
4) how will his stamina be at 175?
5) how will his hands hold up at that weight hitting a heavier person he is going to have to swing a little bit harder at 175 to do damage than he would at 168 I mean who knows?

I like breaking it down I'm no expert but I think these are valid points and I like Roy's chances in this one

Let's be honest, Joe was talking about struggling at the SM weight five years ago, and the sacrifice to get down to the weight each time must take god knows what out of him.
So, as to his stamina and pace at 175, I can't see him dropping off at all, Light-heavy is where he thinks he should be, and naturally, is probably where he can get to the wieght without taking out too much from the tank.
As for his hands, they'll be a problem at whatever weight, and as for his chin, most people will agree its excellent, and that he can take up to light heavy.
The big Q is whether he will be as much of a banger at LH, and that is the $64,000 Q, Personally, I think he would, because the big punches have rarely been 1-punch KOs, rather than an overwhelming torrent, and that will bring him plenty of stoppages at any weigh from my POV.